Creedal Trinity misunderstood by LDS

[_The Erotic Apologist]

No by Adam's

“The Lord told me that Jesus Christ was the son of Adam.”
- Apostle Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Heber C. Kimball, v. 20, p. 17

So in other words you've gone back to this...

[_ldsfaqs]

To throw an additional spin on the matter, Mormons actually DO and CAN believe in the "original" Nicene Creed.

There is actually nothing in it that contradicts LDS theology if you look at it simply without Creedal/Catholic theology in mind. (save the Holy Catholic Apostolic Church part)

The only thing that makes Mormons not believe it otherwise is the "developed theology" after concerning substance, thus making them "one being and three persons" instead of substance referring to Christ's "parentage/genetics/or likeness i.e. matter".

[_The Erotic Apologist]

Yes, Mormons deserve a lot of credit for being able to openly admit their Church’s foundational beliefs have evolved and continue to evolve. Your average Christian would find it very difficult to admit as much about Christianity’s foundational beliefs, especially in the presence of a Mormon or an unbeliever.

[_Mittens]

Yes, Mormons deserve a lot of credit for being able to openly admit their Church’s foundational beliefs have evolved and continue to evolve. Your average Christian would find it very difficult to admit as much about Christianity’s foundational beliefs, especially in the presence of a Mormon or an unbeliever.

If you Worship and believe in an omniscience God, why would your doctrine evolve and continue ? A Christian believes the same doctrines taught in First Century

The Apostle Paul wrote: "Unto Him (God) be glory in the Church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end Amen" (Eph. 3:21). Could that be true if there was a universal apostasy of the church for several centuries? Jesus also said, "Upon this Rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:18). Notice that it is Christ Himself (not mortal men) who builds His church or adds to it (Acts 2:47), and Christ has all power in heaven and in earth (Matt. 28:18; Rev. 19:6). LDS often claim that the true church must be built upon the foundation of apostles and prophets, as Eph 2:20 says. This is commented upon later in this chapter under the sub-title, "Apostles." But Paul wrote, "...other foundation can no man lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ" (I Cor. 3:11). Since Jesus Christ is the Foundation of the church, He is also part of the church! Could that church "collapse" or become extinct when the omnipotent Christ is the Foundation of it? Is it possible for Christ to lose "the church of God which He hath purchased with His own blood" (Acts 20:28; Eph. 5:25)? Christ is called the "Good Shepherd" in John 10:11. But, any shepherd who loses all his sheep is not a very good shepherd!


Jude 1:3
King James Version (KJV)


3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

Yes, Mormons deserve a lot of credit for being able to openly admit their Church’s foundational beliefs have evolved and continue to evolve. Your average Christian would find it very difficult to admit as much about Christianity’s foundational beliefs, especially in the presence of a Mormon or an unbeliever.

If you Worship and believe in an omniscience God, why would your doctrine evolve and continue ? A Christian believes the same doctrines taught in First Century

Case in point. You make this too easy, Mittens.

[_Mittens]

E. Calvin Beisner
God in Three Persons

The Christian Church throughout history has found in order to remain faithful to the teachings of the New Testament regarding the person and work of Christ, it had to affirm at least the following doctrines:
The doctrine of the Trinity----that in the nature of the One True God, there are three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, each fully God, Coequal and Coeternal

The doctrine of the incarnation----- that the Son of God, the Word ( John 1:1 ) became man ( John ; Rom. 1:3 ) uniting in the single person of the Son two distinct and complete natures, diety and humanity.

The sinless of Christ---- that he lived as the perfect man to fulfill God’s plan for all humanity. ( Heb 2:6-18; 4:14, 15 )

The sacrificial death of Christ---- to atone for sins of all men ( 1 John 2:2; 1 Peter 2:; Matt 20:28; 1 Cor 6:20 )

The resurrection of Christ---- that after his death, Christ rose bodily from the grave, showing his triumph over sin and death, as the first fruit, and hence the promise, of resurrection to all who have faith in him ( 1 ; Rom 6:3-11 )

Salvation by Grace through Faith--- that justification before God, and hence salvation from punishment and life with God, are available only as a gift from God through faith in Jesus Christ ( John 14:6; 3:16 Acts 4:10; John 8:24 ) pp 19-20

When we have said these three things, then—that there is but one God, that the Father and the Son and the Spirit is each a distinct person—we have enunciated the doctrine of the Trinity in its completeness.

We may condense this into a somewhat shorter statement, one which is more precise: In the nature of the God, there are three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit ( or substance ) of the one true God, there are three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit p 24

[_The Erotic Apologist]

E. Calvin Beisner
God in Three Persons

The Christian Church throughout history has found in order to remain faithful to the teachings of the New Testament...

Guess what...I've actually read that book. And the Bible, too. This isn't about whether I understand the Trinity; it's about the fact that I reject it.

The giraffe = a horse designed by a committee

The Trinity = a god designed by a committee

[_Mittens]

E. Calvin Beisner
God in Three Persons

The Christian Church throughout history has found in order to remain faithful to the teachings of the New Testament...

Guess what...I've actually read that book. And the Bible, too. This isn't about whether I understand the Trinity; it's about the fact that I reject it.

The giraffe = a horse designed by a committee

The Trinity = a god designed by a committee

The


The Only committee I see in the formation of the Trinity is three separate and distinct persons God The Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit

[_The Erotic Apologist]

So...you saw the formation of the Trinity and you didn't take a picture?!

[_LittleNipper]

E. Calvin Beisner
God in Three Persons

The Christian Church throughout history has found in order to remain faithful to the teachings of the New Testament...

Guess what...I've actually read that book. And the Bible, too. This isn't about whether I understand the Trinity; it's about the fact that I reject it.

The giraffe = a horse designed by a committee

The Trinity = a god designed by a committee

The giraffe was created by God.
The Trinity is a man made word used to discribe God's design --- Triune. Christ is not a God . Christ is God. The Father is not a God. The Father is God. The Holy Spirit is not a God. The Holy Spirit is God. There is but one God; therefore, God is triune in nature ----- made up of three beings. You can reject this if you like; however, you are a human. Humans are not a match for God and His knowledge.