Which statement is true?

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MeDotorg, I think Reagan was right. You once posted examples of Republican opposition to social security ever becoming law. I think they were right as well.

And what I said is how it's all going to play out. The standard of living in America is going down.

Not for the Romney's or the General Authorities

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MeDotorg, I think Reagan was right. You once posted examples of Republican opposition to social security ever becoming law. I think they were right as well.

And what I said is how it's all going to play out. The standard of living in America is going down.

Not for the Romney's or the General Authorities

Not for Barack Obama either. You have to be in government under a socialist system in order to get a piece of the pie.

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Not for Barack Obama either. You have to be in government under a socialist system in order to get a piece of the pie.

Mr Obama works hard for his money (even if you disagree with what he is working at) whereas Romney is just going round telling people he can do better, just not specifically how he can do better.

It must be hard for Romney though, when he's not sure what his policies will be tomorrow...

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this OP reminds me of this very helpful Republican dictionary.

here's the entry for Medicare:

Medicare: A fraudulent, socialistic boondoggle that is sacrosanct.

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Medicare: A fraudulent, socialistic boondoggle that is sacrosanct.

Sounds about right to me.

Whenever I consider the value of a socilialistic program, I ask, "What if I were in that situation?" Then I realize that I would never be eligible for help anyway. Socialism takes unfairness to a level far worse than I ever got by being laid off or losing my health insurance.

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"We do not want socialized medicine...We are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children, what it once was like in America when men were free."
- Ronald Reagan, in opposition to Medicare, 1961

"Like a lot of Americans, when I think about Medicare, it’s not just a program. It’s what my mom relies on. It’s what my grandma had...Medicare was there for our family, for my grandma, when we needed it then, and Medicare is there for my mom while she needs that now, and we need to keep that guaranteed..."
- Paul Ryan, campaigning with his mother in Florida, 2012

Both are correct..... The liberal mind fails in comprehension as usual, creating strawmen.

What you don't understand is that Medicare according to it's original intent and design was not meant to be "socialized medicine". It was simply meant as a safety net for those who had the need. It was never meant to be given to "everyone" that's old.

Further, Medicare only cares for a "segment" of the population.... That IS NOT in any way "socialized medicine", that's caring for the needy. Socialized Medicine is just as the name says, it's ALL Medicine (Medicine period) being socialized.

You guys really need to learn to stop creating strawmen and then attacking them as if you have an argument.

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"We do not want socialized medicine...We are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children, what it once was like in America when men were free."
- Ronald Reagan, in opposition to Medicare, 1961

"Like a lot of Americans, when I think about Medicare, it’s not just a program. It’s what my mom relies on. It’s what my grandma had...Medicare was there for our family, for my grandma, when we needed it then, and Medicare is there for my mom while she needs that now, and we need to keep that guaranteed..."
- Paul Ryan, campaigning with his mother in Florida, 2012

Both are correct..... The liberal mind fails in comprehension as usual, creating strawmen.

What you don't understand is that Medicare according to it's original intent and design was not meant to be "socialized medicine". It was simply meant as a safety net for those who had the need. It was never meant to be given to "everyone" that's old.

Further, Medicare only cares for a "segment" of the population.... That IS NOT in any way "socialized medicine", that's caring for the needy. Socialized Medicine is just as the name says, it's ALL Medicine (Medicine period) being socialized.

You guys really need to learn to stop creating strawmen and then attacking them as if you have an argument.

ldsfaqs, not matter what you post it always sounds like you're YELLING...

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First of all, if Ryan is trying to save Medicare, does that mean Reagan was wrong in 1961?

You know, liberal stupidity and brainwashing is simply so facinating to me.
You clearly don't know anyone that works in the Medical Industry that treats SENIORS on a daily basis. Everyone of them that handles the doled out Medicare will directly tell you that there were HUGE CUTS in the amount of money they got to treat a Senior.

When did these "huge cuts" occur? Who authorized them? Please document.

Do a simple Google search on Obama Medicare cuts and learn for yourself.

We want to REFORM Medicare!!!! moron, NOT "cut" it!!!

Kevin Graham, you're being called a moron by a person who believes that Martin Luther King was a Republican, and Bull Connor and Lester Maddux were liberals.

Again, look it up and learn something for a change instead of your liberal brainwashing. A simple Google Search even Wikipedia on each of those individuals with tell you I'm completely accurate.

From an ABC News story which said of Obama's claims about Ryan's Medicare reform " that they’re generally accurate given the information we have – assuming Romney embraces a plan that’s similar to Ryan’s budget proposal, that is."

On August 16th, Romney said "Actually, Paul Ryan and my plan for Medicare, I think, is the same, if not identical -- it's probably close to identical."

The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office says that Ryan's plan would, by the year 2022, result in $6,358.97 LESS COVERAGE per recipient.

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Problem with your liberal out of context "stat" is that it entirely ignores the other aspects of Ryan's etc.'s plan that would balance out the coverage. No one would be losing their care that needed it.

But again, Obama already cut Medicare without anything else to balance things. They just got less money.

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First of all, if Ryan is trying to save Medicare, does that mean Reagan was wrong in 1961?

Still waiting for an answer.

You know, liberal stupidity and brainwashing is simply so facinating to me.
You clearly don't know anyone that works in the Medical Industry that treats SENIORS on a daily basis. Everyone of them that handles the doled out Medicare will directly tell you that there were HUGE CUTS in the amount of money they got to treat a Senior.

When did these "huge cuts" occur? Who authorized them? Please document.

Do a simple Google search on Obama Medicare cuts and learn for yourself.

You have this amazing capacity for insisting that the documentation for your argument is my responsibility. In a debate, here's the way it works: I am responsible for documenting my argument, and you are responsible for documenting your argument.

Kevin Graham, you're being called a moron by a person who believes that Martin Luther King was a Republican, and Bull Connor and Lester Maddux were liberals.

Again, look it up and learn something for a change instead of your liberal brainwashing. A simple Google Search even Wikipedia on each of those individuals with tell you I'm completely accurate.

Again, somehow it is my responsibility to research your argument. I always thought Conservatives were all about personal responsibility. (Sigh) Such is the Liberal's burden...

What you say about Martin Luther King completely contradicts Church President Ezra Taft Benson. Are you saying the President of the Church was WRONG?

The Wikipedia Article on Maddox specifically refers to him as a conservative.

Bull Connor arrested Democratic Senator Glen Taylor, considered very liberal, for attempting to use the 'colored' door instead of the 'whites only' door at a meeting of Southern Negro Youth Congress.

To be sure, Bull Connor was a Democrat and the Democratic Party had a long and shameful history of racism, segregation and Jim Crow in the South. I am not here to be an apologist for any racist.

But idea that all Democrats were liberal and all Republicans were conservative is just bizarre historical revisionism. Before the two parties started re-aligning in the 1960s, there were many conservative Democrats and internationalist, Moderate-to Liberal Republicans. George H.W. Bush's father (Prescott) served as the Treasurer for Planned Parenthood. That wing of the party has been pretty dead since the San Francisco Convention in '64. (That gives you an idea about how much the country has changed: Republicans would actually hold a Convention in San Francisco). Ann Coulter gleefully proclaims "We have killed off the Rockefeller Republicans."

I think one of the saddest results of the ideological purification of each party is that political compromise in the name of good governance has become increasingly impossible.

From an ABC News story which said of Obama's claims about Ryan's Medicare reform " that they’re generally accurate given the information we have – assuming Romney embraces a plan that’s similar to Ryan’s budget proposal, that is."

On August 16th, Romney said "Actually, Paul Ryan and my plan for Medicare, I think, is the same, if not identical -- it's probably close to identical."

The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office says that Ryan's plan would, by the year 2022, result in $6,358.97 LESS COVERAGE per recipient.

Problem with your liberal out of context "stat" is that it entirely ignores the other aspects of Ryan's etc.'s plan that would balance out the coverage. No one would be losing their care that needed it.

"Balance out the coverage"? What does that mean?

One thing I've noticed: When you can't be bother to make an argument, you say "look it up". When you can't be bothered to finish a thought, you write "etc.".

ETC.= yada yada yada.

But again, Obama already cut Medicare without anything else to balance things. They just got less money.

What cuts? What 'anything else to balance things'. Next time, bring documentation.

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Medicare: A fraudulent, socialistic boondoggle that is sacrosanct.

Sounds about right to me.

Whenever I consider the value of a socilialistic program, I ask, "What if I were in that situation?" Then I realize that I would never be eligible for help anyway. Socialism takes unfairness to a level far worse than I ever got by being laid off or losing my health insurance.

so you agree (like Ryan) that Medicare is sacrosanct?