For Zee and anyone else who attends Church to keep the peace

[_consiglieri]

I keep coming back to this thread hoping to see BCSpace answering the question raised by at least three posters.

No dice so far.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_Tchild]

I keep coming back to this thread hoping to see BCSpace answering the question raised by at least three posters.

No dice so far.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

Last I heard, bcspace was stalking that truck driver in his ward, traveling across the country to verify if indeed the driver was working away from home as he claimed.

[_consiglieri]

So long as he has a legitimate excuse . . .

[_malkie]

So long as he has a legitimate excuse . . .

Have you seen him do it?

If not, can you just take his word for it? Also, when bcspace is stalking the truck driver, is he (bcspace) attending church?

[_consiglieri]

So long as he stalks him into the chapel, I think that counts.

[_Yoda]

I keep coming back to this thread hoping to see BCSpace answering the question raised by at least three posters.

No dice so far.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

Yes, I have been checking as well.

As a reminder...my questions are the following:

What, exactly do you mean when you say that I am showing my "true colors"? Have I been anything than less than up front about my feelings? I can assure you that I have not, either on, or off the board.

Why was the family not allowed to enter the temple with their son to get his endowments? I understand if you feel that you cannot give specifics, but can you please address whether or not their "unworthiness" involved merely "paying attention" during Church meetings?

Also, as a past seminary teacher myself, and someone who is familiar with CES, I can assure you that if a child attends class, you are obligated to mark them present...just food for thought.

So, yes, BC, please come back to the thread and answer our questions.

Here are a couple more. How is it concluded, for attendance purposes, if someone is not paying attention? Do you, for instance, instruct the Ward Clerk to mark people not present who are playing with their iPods? I am sure that the ward budget committee loves that!

What, exactly, is discussed in these "meetings" regarding NOMs? What are your goals? How do you expect these goals to be obtained? What is your action plan?

[_DarkHelmet]

I have two daughters who served missions. I paid every month for 36 months and both my daughters are very appreciative. And I am glad that I helped them to do something that they wanted to do.

Goody for you. But parents do not have to support their kids in everything they want to do. If my kid wants to play sports, take music lessons, pursue some hobby, etc. I'm more than happy to support them. I know other parents who think that stuff is a waste of time, and refuse to spend money on it. How happy do you think a TBM would be if their kid converted to Jehovah's Witnesses and needed $500/month from their parents to support their proselytizing work? Some TBMs would be supportive and pay the bill, but others would say if you want to do that, get a job and save up. What about a TBM who comes out of the closet and joins up with a gay lobbyist group and needs money from his parents to support him while he travels the country lobbying for gay rights. Would a TBM support that? Should they?

[_DarkHelmet]

You knew the rules about temple attendance etc.

No he didn't.
Those rules are not explained prior to baptism.

It's like when Nancy Pelosi said "We have to pass the health care bill so you can find out what is in it." The church is like Nancy Pelosi and the Temple is like the Health Care bill.

[_Bob Loblaw]

Goody for you. But parents do not have to support their kids in everything they want to do. If my kid wants to play sports, take music lessons, pursue some hobby, etc. I'm more than happy to support them. I know other parents who think that stuff is a waste of time, and refuse to spend money on it. How happy do you think a TBM would be if their kid converted to Jehovah's Witnesses and needed $500/month from their parents to support their proselytizing work? Some TBMs would be supportive and pay the bill, but others would say if you want to do that, get a job and save up. What about a TBM who comes out of the closet and joins up with a gay lobbyist group and needs money from his parents to support him while he travels the country lobbying for gay rights. Would a TBM support that? Should they?

Imagine that why me's kids wanted to set up a meth lab. What is a father to do? Give them the money to build the lab, or risk disappointing them?

[_why me]

It doesn't seem to be a matter of putting ones desire to put money in the bank over the wishes of their children, but one of refusing to contribute to something that is solely for the benefit of the LDS church. Why in the world would someone pay thousands of dollars for their children to do nothing but proselytize for a church they didn't believe in? The money spent benefits the LDS church not their own children. If adult children want to do something like this they should have the drive to do it themselves not expect mom and dad to fork over money for their beliefs.

The problem is that toronto is approaching this issue with sour grapes. He is allowing his own feelings interfere with a wish by his son to serve a mission. I feel a little sad for the son. He is the only one who is still an active member of the church, surrounded by family who do not support his belief system and hinder his desire to serve a mission. Not good for the son.

A parent should put away their own prejudices and go with the flow. My daughters had great experiences on their missions. And have meet what seems to me lifelong friends. No harm done. And it was also a learning experience where they learned a language, learned a culture and grew tremendously in maturity. Was it worth my money? I think so. And they know that although their dad is a poor member, he still had the love for them to support their wishes.