Why did I ever read beyond the slaying of Laban?

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Re: Why did I ever read beyond the slaying of Laban?

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Did not answer the question.

You are ordered by the voices in your head to slay a man to preserve a nation. So you do so. The nation falls anyway. What does this say about the voices in your head?
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Re: Why did I ever read beyond the slaying of Laban?

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SteelHead wrote:So you are commanded by god, and smite Hitler before he enacts the holocaust. Why? Because god told you by so doing you would prevent the holocaust, prevent the destruction of a nation by the death of a man. Then a few years later the holocaust happens anyway.

What does that say about god? What does it say about your channel to him?

Why would the Holocaust have happened anyway? You are adding a 'what if' to challange my honest query, without even attempting to answer.
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Re: Why did I ever read beyond the slaying of Laban?

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Gordon wrote:
Sethbag wrote:The idea that if the voices in one's head "command" one to cut off another human being's head, then obeying those voices is a sign of strength and righteousness, is repugnant. It's the same issue as with Abraham and the attempted sacrifice of Isaac. That story doesn't reflect well on Abraham - it too is repugnant.

We both know that anyone killing another person nowadays and justifying it with a claim that God told him to would be tried and convicted, and regarded (even by LDS) as a whacko nutjob. We intuitively know that this story is crazy. For some reason though, we talk ourselves into believing it's a good thing in the story books.

I too wonder why I couldn't see that as a believer, and read that story and all that followed it in the Book of Mormon quite a number of times, from cover to cover, and was never as bothered by that story as I should have been.

If one had the option to cut of Hitler's head well before he butchered millions of Jews (at G-d's command), would you still find the act "repugnant"?

Think about it.


So...if there was going to be some great evil perpetrated by someone in the World Trade Centres then flying planes into them wouldn't be repugnant? Think about it...

Should children who show psychopathic traits be put to death just in case? Think about it...

You know 'Minority Report' is fiction...right?
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Re: Why did I ever read beyond the slaying of Laban?

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Gordon wrote:If one had the option to cut of Hitler's head well before he butchered millions of Jews (at G-d's command), would you still find the act "repugnant"?

Think about it.

Well, then why didn't God command somebody somewhere to kill Hitler, or Pol Pot or Idi Amin or any of a thousand other despicable despots, killers and murderers? Or maybe even Mitt Romney, who if elected might bomb Iran and lead America into a new age of barbaric emperialism and murder.

Why is the Mormon God so completely arbitrary?

Since the Book of Mormon was wholly authored by Joseph Smith, we are not really getting a look into the mind of a Laban that never existed, nor of a God made in man's image, we are getting a glimpse into the mind of Joseph Smith.

It is Joseph Smith's version of God that is projected out to the world in the pages of the Book of Mormon that is repugnant
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Re: Why did I ever read beyond the slaying of Laban?

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The holocaust happening anyway is in reference to the story in the Book of Mormon. Nephi kills Laban so that the nephite nation will not perish in disbelief. Then they perish in disbelief anyway. The whole slaying of Laban was moot.
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Re: Why did I ever read beyond the slaying of Laban?

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SteelHead wrote:The holocaust happening anyway is in reference to the story in the Book of Mormon. Nephi kills Laban so that the Nephite nation will not perish in disbelief. Then they perish in disbelief anyway. The whole slaying of Laban was moot.


What's worse is that God couldn't see that coming and went through with authorising Laban's murder. God or Godfather?
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Re: Why did I ever read beyond the slaying of Laban?

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Drifting wrote:So...if there was going to be some great evil perpetrated by someone in the World Trade Centres then flying planes into them wouldn't be repugnant? Think about it...

Should children who show psychopathic traits be put to death just in case? Think about it...

You know 'Minority Report' is fiction...right?


Did 3,000 innocent people die along with Laban? Was Laban a child, who hadn't stole and tried to commit murder, when he was killed? You're bringing up completely irrelevant issues, while failing to answer a direct question.
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Re: Why did I ever read beyond the slaying of Laban?

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Gordon wrote:
Drifting wrote:So...if there was going to be some great evil perpetrated by someone in the World Trade Centres then flying planes into them wouldn't be repugnant? Think about it...

Should children who show psychopathic traits be put to death just in case? Think about it...

You know 'Minority Report' is fiction...right?


Did 3,000 innocent people die along with Laban? Was Laban a child, who hadn't stole and tried to commit murder, when he was killed? Your bringing up completely irrelevant issues, while failing to answer a direct question.


Yes, I think murdering someone for an outcome you have no guarentee will happen is repugnant. In hindsight do you think God regrets having Nephi murder Laban for no justifiable reason?
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Re: Why did I ever read beyond the slaying of Laban?

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Of course not, Drifting. Gordon has already explained to us that God has no obligation to follow any of the (apparently) arbitrary rules that he makes mankind follow.
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Re: Why did I ever read beyond the slaying of Laban?

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The funny thing is......

The same god who can miraculously drop a liahona on their doorstep seemingly doesn't have a photocopier.
It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war.

Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality.
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