Gordon wrote:but that doesn't negate those who are actually instructed by Him.
Who is and who is not "instructed" can never be known objectively Gordon. Then it is just violence of the majority against the minority under your criteria.
Like I said, it was the Lord who decided that Laban's mortal life was to end, not Nephi. You can choose to accept that or reject it...but that choice does nothing to change the truth of the matter.
No, that is what you say. That is what Joseph Smith says. That is not what I or others say. I do reject it with all my heart and soul. There is no God that murders to further his ends, only men.
Tchild wrote:Sure, that is why a "test of faith" cannot violate my or another's free agency.
When the Lord decrees it, it can. Remember, He is the ultimate source of judgement...not you, for yourself.
Nephi telling us that he has been commanded to kill is not from God. At least that is what my concept of the HG tells me.
Confirming truth via the HG only works when that truth pertains to the individual alone.
Not so at all. The HG confirms the truth of all things, not just regarding the individual...even though it's the individual, themself, who must obtain that witness.
"Wo unto them that are wise in their own eyes and prudent in their own sight!" Isaiah 5:21
Tchild wrote:Sure, that is why a "test of faith" cannot violate my or another's free agency.
When the Lord decrees it, it can. Remember, He is the ultimate source of judgement...not you, for yourself.
Nephi telling us that he has been commanded to kill is not from God. At least that is what my concept of the HG tells me.
Confirming truth via the HG only works when that truth pertains to the individual alone.
Not so at all. The HG confirms the truth of all things, not just regarding the individual...even though it's the individual, themself, who must obtain that witness.
Gordon, are you familiar with the work of Jilted John?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Stormy Waters wrote:I disagree. If commands from God can be used to justify murder, it's important to know the accuracy of these commands.
You can disagree all you like, but the fact remains that the OP dealt with the poster's repulsion to the 'murder' of Laban. I don't think he finds the command to sell the Book of Mormon copyright 'repugnant'.
"Wo unto them that are wise in their own eyes and prudent in their own sight!" Isaiah 5:21
Tchild wrote:Who is and who is not "instructed" can never be known objectively Gordon. Then it is just violence of the majority against the minority under your criteria.
It can be known. You merely reject that.
No, that is what you say. That is what Joseph Smith says. That is not what I or others say. I do reject it with all my heart and soul. There is no God that murders to further his ends, only men.
Only the HG can give a man absolute truth on the matter. I can't give you the knowledge, nor do I assert to be able to.
"Wo unto them that are wise in their own eyes and prudent in their own sight!" Isaiah 5:21
Tchild wrote:Who is and who is not "instructed" can never be known objectively Gordon. Then it is just violence of the majority against the minority under your criteria.
It can be known. You merely reject that.
The civilized secular world rejects it...and for good reason. If you were in a muslim country about to be stoned for "blasphemy" you would reject it too.
It cannot be known and you have not shown how it can be known objectively.
That is why Mormonism will be seen to be a religious anachronism of a past place and time in the years to come. Unless Mormon beliefs change, it will not survive an age of more enlightened and reasoned humans.