Franktalk wrote: Asking people on this board seems to be a waste of time. The ones who claim the ability to walk in the spirit you doubt their honesty. Or their ability to describe in terms you agree with the path to spirituality. Then there are the others who declare there is no path and it is all made up. The third area of investigation deals with direct contact with God the Spirit. It can be done by reading the scriptures. Might I suggest Romans and 1 John. I may have read then 50 to 100 times in the last couple of years. Have you read any scriptures that many times in the last two years? I will let you know that talking to God and reading scriptures gets your spirit all tuned up. Posting here does not. If you seek God and a spiritual path then do the things that will bring you there. It is like learning to fly an airplane. It is best to go to flight school and be around airplanes. Not to go to debates about aeronautics and hang around the beach.
I agree that asking here doesn't tend to get many results from those who believe they are communicating with the HG. With family, friends, people at church, and even published material from the church, gets way more results and details. People here avoid descriptions like the plague. I can understand to some extent. They can be special, and the church teaches not to speak about them with those they think might mock them. I try to avoid that, but I do see major problems people don't seem to want to face.
You need to be a little more open minded and not make assumptions. I never doubted their honesty in what they believe. You miss the point again.
Themis wrote:You need to be a little more open minded and not make assumptions. I never doubted their honesty in what they believe. You miss the point again.
I missed the point because you keep asking the same or questions. Have you done the things necessary to take a spiritual path? If you had you would not be asking these questions. Those who have taken that big first step know when they come across someone who has done the same. The fakers are easily separated as sheep from goats. You are not a faker just someone who has not gone that direction. It is not for everyone. Some are just not destined to go down that path. I would not like to speculate as to why.
But this has taken us far from the OP which is to deal with latent anger. I still say that those who need to move along should do so. If the LDS church is not on their path then find another path that does fit your needs. But I might suggest that people look inward for their needs and not the needs of the flesh. This of course does go to the heart of the question by you.
Themis wrote:You need to be a little more open minded and not make assumptions. I never doubted their honesty in what they believe. You miss the point again.
I missed the point because you keep asking the same or questions. Have you done the things necessary to take a spiritual path? If you had you would not be asking these questions. Those who have taken that big first step know when they come across someone who has done the same. The fakers are easily separated as sheep from goats. You are not a faker just someone who has not gone that direction. It is not for everyone. Some are just not destined to go down that path. I would not like to speculate as to why.
But this has taken us far from the OP which is to deal with latent anger. I still say that those who need to move along should do so. If the LDS church is not on their path then find another path that does fit your needs. But I might suggest that people look inward for their needs and not the needs of the flesh. This of course does go to the heart of the question by you.
All this says to me is if you agree with me then you have done what is necessary, but if you don't then you haven't. I would say I have, but then you don't know me. It still doesn't really get down to the issue, but then I don't have high expectations for many here.
Themis wrote:All this says to me is if you agree with me then you have done what is necessary, but if you don't then you haven't. I would say I have, but then you don't know me. It still doesn't really get down to the issue, but then I don't have high expectations for many here.
If you need a six pack you must make the effort to walk to the seven eleven, talking about a six pack does not get you one.
Themis wrote:All this says to me is if you agree with me then you have done what is necessary, but if you don't then you haven't. I would say I have, but then you don't know me. It still doesn't really get down to the issue, but then I don't have high expectations for many here.
If you need a six pack you must make the effort to walk to the seven eleven, talking about a six pack does not get you one.
So what. It still boils down to whether someone agrees with you then they have done what is necessary. Get back to us when you want to actaully address the questions. I noticed on another thread Gordon is doing much better then you.http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=25433&start=147
Dh and I have had very different experiences coming to terms with leaving the church. I think I went through a grieving process before leaving while I was still attending in order to keep our marriage together. After a while going to church just felt like something that just wasn't for me anymore. I guess I had a "long goodbye" as an active non-believer and that probably helped give me closure toward the end. I used to get worked up about it all, but I seemed to be able to move on neatly around the same time that I forgave my parents for a number of really poor decisions they made while I was growing up that have had long-term consequences for me as an adult. I did a few long stints in therapy, I suppose that really helped-- gave me some much-needed perspective and validation. I also got a degree in Philosophy and that gave me plenty of opportunity to think and talk about matters of faith and religion-- I know that helped me learn that my thinking and my feeling about my experience as a Mormon could be separable.
Dh, on the other hand, still goes through phases where he's angry again suddenly, despite having had quite a bit of therapy himself. He's far better off than he was initially, the talk therapy definitely worked, but I know he gets bitter now and then and needs to talk it through. I know part of the difference is that my family still likes us, despite our apostasy, whereas his family has more or less cut us off. It's easy for me to accept in-law rejection because I never really "got" his family anyway (major culture clash there), but I can see that it is super-painful for him and I know that his church/family issues are all very intertwined.
Hang in there. You'll figure out what you need and how to get it. :-)