Did Elder Snow Misrepresent the Truth on National TV

[_bcspace]

He's telling the straight up truth no matter how you slice it.

So over time, the LDS Church has developed and learned stupidity?

No. But over time, my parents taught me not to be a moron.

What was so certain, revelations and commandments from god are now not understood?

Is this a blood sugar stupor from too many cookies and Pepsi?

When was this particular case so certain?

[_malkie]

He's telling the straight up truth no matter how you slice it.

So over time, the LDS Church has developed and learned stupidity?

No. But over time, my parents taught me not to be a moron.

What was so certain, revelations and commandments from god are now not understood?

Is this a blood sugar stupor from too many cookies and Pepsi?

When was this particular case so certain?

Could you explain the meaning of the 1949 1st Presidency letter? You know the one I mean, right?

[_ldsfaqs]

1. Please tell me in this OFFICIAL pronouncement, what is actually "racist"???

It says black people cannot have the priesthood for no other reason than being black.

Problem with that "judgment" is that it ignores several important facts of history.

1. It ignores all the other statments positive and clear non-racist ones stated by LDS leaders, even the same ones accused of racism.

2. It ignores the actual CHURCH POLICY and PRACTICE.

"BLACKS" of MANY RACES WERE GIVEN THE PRIESTHOOD..... From the Islands, India, Central/South America, and on and on.
It was ONLY those of "African" Lineage, those believed to be under the "curse" who were denied.
Even WHITES were denied the Priesthood because of their lineage.

It had nothing to do with skin color or racism in the NORMAL well known since.

They believed rightly or wrongly that a certain lineage was under a curse, and so they put the policy in play according to the doctrine.

That's not racism..... But I know, you guy's are so dark in your heart, you even accuse Christ Himself, Moses, etc. of racism, when we give you the same kinds of examples scripturally.

So, there is no reasoning with people who's minds are closed off in hate and bigotry.
I know because I was you once! The difference between me and you people is that I quickly realized what "side" of the iron rod I was on by my anti-ism toward the things and people of light in the world.

Enjoy your evil..... You will get the reward you deserve....

[_ldsfaqs]

So over time, the LDS Church has developed and learned stupidity? What was so certain, revelations and commandments from god are now not understood?

Is this a blood sugar stupor from too many cookies and Pepsi?

We have explained this simple concept to you people over and over again.....

The Church used to be more "liberal" in what it said, by allowing more "opinion" instead of solid revealed doctrine and revelation. It has since learned, that like with the Priesthood ban, opinions are like BH's, everyone has one, and such doesn't represent the actual doctrines of God.

In other words, somethings not doctrine until it's:

1. In the scripture
2. Been revealed, and is sustained by scripture
3. Been revealed, sustained by scripture, AND sustained by the Church and full leadership.

In other words, the Church has a "checks and balances" process for what is and isn't doctrine of the Church. In the past, they were a little too liberal in various views. Today, they strive more diligently that only doctrine is taught, and striving for less mistakes.

There is no great conspiracy here, no lying, nor anything else. The Church is simply trying to be more clear with what it actually KNOWS....

You people should be happy the Church isn't making as many mistakes.... but to the wicked there is no satisfaction to your bigotry and hate. The Church has actually gotten SMARTER..... contrary to your claim of it becoming more "stupid".

[_DrW]

Sometimes I simply cannot believe that any rational adult would say some of the things you say on this board.

Dr. W---

A rational adult didn't say the things he said on this board.

Darth,

Thank you.

I feel better already.

[_DrW]

There is no great conspiracy here, no lying, nor anything else. The Church is simply trying to be more clear with what it actually KNOWS....

Which appears to be less and less with every passing day.

[_DrW]

ldsfaqs,

On September 23, 1999 communication was lost with the Mars Climate Orbiter as it was being inserted into Martian orbit. NASA did not KNOW why.

The fact that NASA did not KNOW why they lost this very expensive spacecraft did not, however, mean that they did not have to face the consequences, including an unhappy administration, threats of cuts in their budget, and an the crushing humiliation of facing an incredulous scientific community to explain they had made a mistake that many high school students would have caught, had they been asked to review the mission protocols (not to mention the loss of the hundreds of millions they had spent on the spacecraft).

Unlike in the make-believe fantasy world of Mormonism, in the real world, consequences of terrible mistakes must be faced and accepted, even if one does not KNOW why the terrible mistakes were made.

The mistake made with the Mars Climate Orbiter was that orbital insertion instructions were incorrectly sent to the spacecraft in English (lb-second) units, instead of the metric (Newton- second) units that the orbiter's computer was expecting. This little error cost hundreds of millions of dollars and set Mars exploration back by several years.

As soon as it understood what the problem had been, NASA recognized and admitted the mistake, and took top down steps to rectify the situation. NASA was very successful in doing so, as the recent landing of Curiosity on Mars has demonstrated

The terrible mistake of Mormon racism can be traced to a Prophet of the Church, one Brigham Young, who the record shows was not only guilty of blatant racism, but also of polygamy, outrageous self-dealing, and very probably conspiracy to commit murder.

Rather than say that they don't KNOW why Mormonism remains a racist religion (and is widely recognized as such), perhaps LDS Church leadership should take a page from NASA's book, acknowledge the problem and from whence it came, and then take the top down steps needed to fix it.

Or, in religious terms perhaps more understandable to ldsfaqs:

Why should Mormonism expect forgiveness of its sins without going through the repentance process, one critical step of which is an honest confession of wrongdoing (i.e. a confession free of lame excuses)?

[_ludwigm]

The mistake made with the Mars Climate Orbiter was ...
As soon as it understood what the problem had been, NASA recognized and admitted the mistake, and took top down steps to rectify the situation.

I worked for Siemens five years.
We used to develop xxDSL cards, based on Motorola 68xxx processors.

After we discovered functional ethernet handling errors of that processors, Motorola
- thanked it to us
- issued an official patch on their site
- has sent us 4 piece of NEW, FIXED processor chip we used, as replacement

They should have excommunicated us from developer's community - if Motorola would have been a religion.

This is not an advertisement of Motorola or Siemens or science.
This is the way our world is working.

[_Darth J]

It says black people cannot have the priesthood for no other reason than being black.

Problem with that "judgment" is that it ignores several important facts of history.

Well, the LDS faith-promoting narrative ignores several important facts of history, so I'd say we're even.

1. It ignores all the other statments positive and clear non-racist ones stated by LDS leaders, even the same ones accused of racism.

"Sure, I slapped my wife around, but focusing on that ignores all the times I brought her flowers....and then slapped her again."

2. It ignores the actual CHURCH POLICY and PRACTICE.

......of saying that black people could not have the priesthood.

"BLACKS" of MANY RACES WERE GIVEN THE PRIESTHOOD..... From the Islands, India, Central/South America, and on and on.
It was ONLY those of "African" Lineage, those believed to be under the "curse" who were denied.

Yes, I know. It isn't racism if you only think one particular race is inferior to all the others. I'm sure you will also agree with me that it's not religious bigotry if you think all the other churches are okay, but just hate Mormons.

Thanks for the disingenuous equivocation, though.

Synonyms for "black"

African, Afro-American, Negro

Even WHITES were denied the Priesthood because of their lineage.

Name one.

It had nothing to do with skin color or racism in the NORMAL well known since.

Official Declaration 2

He has heard our prayers, and by revelation has confirmed that the long-promised day has come when every faithful, worthy man in the Church may receive the holy priesthood, with power to exercise its divine authority, and enjoy with his loved ones every blessing that flows therefrom, including the blessings of the temple. Accordingly, all worthy male members of the Church may be ordained to the priesthood without regard for race or color.

They believed rightly or wrongly that a certain lineage was under a curse, and so they put the policy in play according to the doctrine.

That's not racism..... But I know, you guy's are so dark in your heart, you even accuse Christ Himself, Moses, etc. of racism, when we give you the same kinds of examples scripturally.

Synonyms for "race:"

ancestor, antecedent, antecessor, blood, breed, breeding, derivation, descent, extraction, forebear, forefather, foregoer, foremother, forerunner, genealogy, heritage, house, kindred, line, lineage, origin, parentage, pedigree, precursor, primogenitor, progenitor, race, source, stock

So, there is no reasoning with people who's minds are closed off in hate and bigotry.
I know because I was you once! The difference between me and you people is that I quickly realized what "side" of the iron rod I was on by my anti-ism toward the things and people of light in the world.

Enjoy your evil..... You will get the reward you deserve....

The common denominator to your alternating beliefs being your consistent irrationality.

[_PrickKicker]

God is so just...
All those billions of sweet innocent children, born under a curse for something they had nothing to do with and of course they weren't fence sitters, that was just Personal Opinion.

What a load of Male Bovine Manure.

Why don't all White Murderers turn Black?