Creedal Trinity misunderstood by LDS

[_subgenius]

Can you explain how the infants drowned during the flood can be classed as 'wicked'?

Jeremiah 1:5? Psalm 19:15-16

Did the Saviour of humanity really need to be the offspring of a seemingly spiritually incestuous relationship with an unmarried virgin betrothed to another?

your cynicism has seemingly consumed you and left nothing of value behind.....truly nothing left behind.

[_Drifting]

Can you explain how the infants drowned during the flood can be classed as 'wicked'?

Jeremiah 1:5? Psalm 19:15-16

Did the Saviour of humanity really need to be the offspring of a seemingly spiritually incestuous relationship with an unmarried virgin betrothed to another?

your cynicism has seemingly consumed you and left nothing of value behind.....truly nothing left behind.

Jeremiah 1:5
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Psalm 19 finishes at verse 14...

Can you inform the board how these two scriptural references answer the question?

[_Mittens]

Jeremiah 1:5
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations

Book of Mormon explains Jeremiah 1:5

2 Nephi 9:20 O how great the holiness of our God! For he knoweth all things, and there is not anything save he knows it.

So if God is omniscience, he would know Jeremiah before he existed

omniscience
Rom 4:16-17
17 As it is written: "I have made you a father of many nations." He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed — the God who gives life to the dead and calls things that are not as though they were.
NIV

Rom 4:17

17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.KJV

[_subgenius]

Psalm 19 finishes at verse 14...

my typo...it is Psalms 139

[_Drifting]

Psalm 19 finishes at verse 14...

my typo...it is Psalms 139

I think you should have stuck with 'Psalm 19'!

15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

[_gdemetz]

Drifting, those infants who drowned in the flood were not wicked, and the scriptures are clear that they enjoy the benefits of the atonement of Christ.

[_PrickKicker]

Drifting, those infants who drowned in the flood were not wicked, and the scriptures are clear that they enjoy the benefits of the atonement of Christ.

I see contradictions... They're everywhere!!!

Exodus 34:7

Keeping steadfast love for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, but who will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children's children, to the third and the fourth generation.”

Deuteronomy 24:16

“Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Numbers 14:18

‘The Lord is slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love, forgiving iniquity and transgression, but he will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, to the third and the fourth generation.’

Deuteronomy 5:9 ESV / 49 helpful votes

You shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,

Exodus 20:1-26

And God spoke all these words, saying, “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. “You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, ...

Exodus 20:5

You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,

John 9:1-3

As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. And his disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” Jesus answered, “It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him.

Ezekiel 18:19-20

“Yet you say, ‘Why should not the son suffer for the iniquity of the father?’ When the son has done what is just and right, and has been careful to observe all my statutes, he shall surely live. The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

[_Drifting]

Drifting, those infants who drowned in the flood were not wicked, and the scriptures are clear that they enjoy the benefits of the atonement of Christ.

That's not the official doctrinal position.

 

28 The earth was corrupt before God, and it was filled with violence.

 29 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted its away upon the earth. Moses

Lesson 8: Noah and the Flood

Emphasize that Noah was obedient to the Lord in spite of the ridicule of his friends and neighbors. Help the children understand that because Noah’s family listened and obeyed his teachings, they were saved from the Flood, but the wicked people who would not listen and obey were drowned.

And...

If we assume that Church doctrine is wrong and you are correct, then you accept that your God murdered all the innocents on the earth by drowning them.

[_gdemetz]

You guys are really reaching now, and twisting the scriptures drastically! How many babies get sick and die? Are they being punished by God for their wickedness? Give me a break! Yes, they are covered by the atonement of Christ and that is the official church doctrine, and it is straight from the Book of Mormon!

[_subgenius]

Personally, there is no grave indictment against God for anyone God has ever "smited or smoted". I really have no problem or concern with knowing that He has done what the scriptures have recorded.

The real issue is second guessing His will, especially since most of those who are second guessing are little familiar with what scriptures they use for reference.
God is not some mortal psychopath, some sociopath walking around with the weakness of the flesh consuming His heart and mind.
The very idea that one could even think "God is a killer..." is simply childish and less than intellectual, and not enlightened.
If the flood wiped out life as it was known because it was "evil" and "wicked" then yes...the babies, the adults, the cows, the fish, the whole of life was deemed unworthy of living by God and His ability and privilege affords Him that decision and action.
Sure yo may not be able to "conceive" of "such an act"...but that is because you have the mind of a child when you consider it.
Do you really think you have some sort of argument? some sort of intellectual insight? some theological loophole? that will serve as the keystone to His existence when you unveil it? No, you do not, because what you have a selfish desire to simply be "right", to simply be "better",to somehow think of yourself as conquering something that you have no idea about. You swing and swipe at shadows on the allegorical cave wall.
What is so difficult in understanding that He does what He does and there are times that we will not understand? and that some times we will....if your desire is to resolve the former then your sincerity will be evident, which often it is not...and that is why the latter will always escape you!