Dallin Oaks talks about Joanna Brooks at Arizona Stake Conf?

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Drifting wrote:
Many consider the provisions of the common law produced by Coke as a foundation for several provisions in the U.S. Constitution, which celebrates its 225th anniversary this year and is viewed by Latter-day Saints as both inspired and necessary to the Restoration. Five elements of the Constitution have been identified as being particularly inspired:

1. Separation of powers into three independent branches of government.
2. The Bill of Rights’ guarantee of freedom of speech, press, and religion.
3. Equality of all men and women before the law.
4. The federal system, with a division of powers between the nation as a whole and the states.
5. The principle of popular sovereignty—the people are the source of government.4
These five basic fundamentals have been a great blessing and were necessary to the Restoration of the gospel. We share with many others a love and appreciation for the Constitution and a concern about efforts to diminish the Bill of Rights’ guarantee of freedom of religion.


Elder Quentin Cook Ensign Sept 2012


The church does not really believe that. What a lie. ERA, anyone?
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just me wrote:
Many consider the provisions of the common law produced by Coke as a foundation for several provisions in the U.S. Constitution, which celebrates its 225th anniversary this year and is viewed by Latter-day Saints as both inspired and necessary to the Restoration. Five elements of the Constitution have been identified as being particularly inspired:

1. Separation of powers into three independent branches of government.
2. The Bill of Rights’ guarantee of freedom of speech, press, and religion.
3. Equality of all men and women before the law.
4. The federal system, with a division of powers between the nation as a whole and the states.
5. The principle of popular sovereignty—the people are the source of government.4
These five basic fundamentals have been a great blessing and were necessary to the Restoration of the gospel. We share with many others a love and appreciation for the Constitution and a concern about efforts to diminish the Bill of Rights’ guarantee of freedom of religion.

Elder Quentin Cook Ensign Sept 2012


The church does not really believe that. What a lie. ERA, anyone?


Well, you've got Oaks saying equality is Satan's plan and Cook saying equality is Gods plan. The ship is rudderless...
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The "gospel" was restored in a time when there was not equality for all people regardless of sex, race or color. There STILL is not equality for women. The church fought hard against it!

This really chaps my hide.
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bcspace wrote:Third wave and higher feminism is a great evil on society so I hope he did.


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just me wrote:The "gospel" was restored in a time when there was not equality for all people regardless of sex, race or color. There STILL is not equality for women. The church fought hard against it!

This really chaps my hide.


And gay people.
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bcspace wrote:The church does not really believe that. What a lie. ERA, anyone?


Good thing we have "doctrinal purity" bcspace to correct an apostle as to what the church believes. :rolleyes:
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Fence Sitter wrote:"Equality of Opportunity" = 15 seats in the front of the bus and 15 seats in the back.


The phrase "separate but equal" comes to mind . . .
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Bob Loblaw wrote:
bcspace wrote:The church does not really believe that. What a lie. ERA, anyone?


Good thing we have "doctrinal purity" bcspace to correct an apostle as to what the church believes. :rolleyes:


Hey! That quote is actually me!
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Drifting wrote:
just me wrote:The "gospel" was restored in a time when there was not equality for all people regardless of sex, race or color. There STILL is not equality for women. The church fought hard against it!

This really chaps my hide.


And gay people.


Doh! I knew I had forgotten to represent everyone, but was commenting quickly.
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Equality wrote:Here is how one person reported it:
I do not think they have any other answer to give on this subject, besides this. In some ways I really wish they would just say "we don't know" and leave it at that. Or a simple "we pray about this is and this all that has currently been revealed".


Not to worry. When women do finally get the priesthood, they can use the "we don't know why" excuse to explain why women couldn't have it before. This talk by Oaks will be relegated to simply an ad hoc explanation for the ban.
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