Top Doc: Akin not far off base in rape comment

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Re: Top Doc: Akin not far off base in rape comment

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krose wrote:Why am I not surprised that the text in BC's post contains nothing to support the subject and first line of his post? I wasted time reading through that entire pointless WND drivel and never got to the part about a "top Doc" or "hypocrisy."

At any rate, it's not controversial to say that a single sexual encounter (rape or otherwise) has a relative low chance of resulting in a pregnancy, simply because the period of fertility is only a couple of days a month, and conception isn't ensured even during those days. Any couple who has engaged in an intentional effort to have a baby knows that it can sometimes take a lot of trying.


Right. Women have a 3.1% chance of getting pregnant from a single act of intercourse. However, raped women have a higher rate of pregnancy and they aren't even trying to conceive. Double, in fact. So spacey and his friends are 100% wrong.
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It doesn't surprose me at all that BC Space defends "legitimate rape". I assume LDS Faqs and Droopy do as well. I would guess all my old bishops and SPs would probably defend it too. I recently watched 20/20 and they re-ran the Diane Sawyer interview with Jaycee Dugard. What a horrifying story. Her rapes started 2 weeks after her abduction. She was only 11 and knew nothing about sex, let alone rape. She gave birth to 2 girls during her captivity and constant rapes. According to Akin, she must have liked it.
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DarkHelmet wrote:She fathered 2 girls during her captivity and constant rapes.

??? Do you mean, she mothered two girls?
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Dr. Shades wrote:
DarkHelmet wrote:She fathered 2 girls during her captivity and constant rapes.

??? Do you mean, she mothered two girls?


LOL. I fixed it.
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DarkHelmet wrote:
Dr. Shades wrote:??? Do you mean, she mothered two girls?


LOL. I fixed it.


Phew! I was so confused! :lol:
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hug that millstone, bcspace!
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Dr. Shades wrote:
DarkHelmet wrote:She fathered 2 girls during her captivity and constant rapes.

??? Do you mean, she mothered two girls?

Here is an example of the sexism built into our language. To 'mother' someone means to give them loving care. To 'father' someone means to provide the sperm for their creation.
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‘Let It Be Unto Me’: Akin, Rape, and the Early Church
A Q&A with historians of the early church

http://www.religiondispatches.org/archi ... gies/6316/

Virginia Burrus: As soon as I began hearing the news reports of Akin’s remarks, I was haunted by similarities with the thought of the late Roman theologian Augustine. I hasten to say that I would not want to compare Akin in any general way to Augustine, who was a brilliant theologian and writer, accolades I would not by any means assign to Akin! The comparison I have in mind is quite specific, and that is Augustine’s discussion at the very beginning of his famous work City of God of the rape of Lucretia, a traditional Roman tale that he revisits in the context of real or anticipated wartime rapes of women of the Christian community.

Lucretia was a Roman woman renowned for her extreme virtue, known to have killed herself after she was raped in an effort to restore her honor by making it clear that she in no way colluded with her rapist. That itself is sufficiently telling testimony to the burden that rape places on its victims! But Augustine—in one of his lowest moments—makes it worse. For what he does is essentially to blame the victim nonetheless, much as Akin seems to do. He suggests (while acknowledging that only Lucretia herself could have known this) that Lucretia must have been “so enticed by her own desire that she consented to the act” (City of God 1:19). And in this she is, in Augustine’s eyes, condemned.

Augustine was defending himself in the face of critics who asked how it was that Christian women could suffer rape if God was looking after them. We should question his mode of defense! In so doing, we should also question Akin’s assumption that the victim is to be blamed—a stance that has arguably been taken even without the extenuating wartime circumstances that shaped Augustine’s response (never mind its utter absurdity with regard to biological facts known by most women in this country)."
Surely Lucretia did not “consent to the act” of her own rape, which led to her suicide. And surely no woman who is raped consents in any way to the conception of a child. To suggest that she has the power to resist or prevent this is not only biologically absurd but also morally wrong and deeply offensive"
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