Evangelical's Struggle to Address Premarital Sex & Abortion

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gdemetz wrote:Drifting, I assume that you have references that none of the three witnessed His statement? Christ died without sin, so what is your point exactly?


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Dating
Estimates for the dates when the canonical gospel accounts were written vary significantly; and the evidence for any of the dates is scanty. Because the earliest surviving complete copies of the gospels date to the 4th century and because only fragments and quotations exist before that, scholars use higher criticism to propose likely ranges of dates for the original gospel autographs. Scholars variously assess the majority (though not the consensus [21]) view as follows:
Mark: c. 68–73,[22] c. 65–70[23]
Matthew: c. 70–100.[22] c. 80–85.[23]
Luke: c. 80–100, with most arguing for somewhere around 85,[22] c. 80–85[23]
John: c. 90–100,[23] c. 90–110,[24] The majority view is that it was written in stages, so there was no one date of composition.
Traditional Christian scholarship has generally preferred to assign earlier dates. Some historians interpret the end of the book of Acts as indicative, or at least suggestive, of its date; as Acts mentions neither the death of Paul, generally accepted as the author of many of the Epistles, who was later put to death by the Romans c. 65[citation needed], nor any other event post AD 62, notably the Neronian persecution of AD 64/5 that had such impact on the early church.[25] Acts is attributed to the author of the Gospel of Luke, which is believed to have been written before Acts, and therefore would shift the chronology of authorship back, putting Mark as early as the mid 50s. Here are the dates given in the modern NIV Study Bible:
Matthew: c. 50 to 70s
Mark: c. 50s to early 60s, or late 60s
Luke: c. 59 to 63, or 70s to 80s
John: c. 85 to near 100, or 50s to 70
Such early dates are not limited to conservative scholars. In Redating the New Testament John A. T. Robinson, a prominent liberal theologian and bishop, makes a case for composition dates before the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70.


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gdemetz, why do you suppose LDS have such high incidence of pre-marital sex?
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just me wrote:gdemetz, why do you suppose LDS have such high incidence of pre-marital sex?


I'd like to field this question if I may Just Me by quoting a 70+ year old guy I once worked who said:

"The worst sex I ever had was really great."

Sex is great. Unless you're a total screw up and try to stick it in her elbow or something sex is really great. It's both pleasurable and taboo which makes it even greater. Because rule breaking is only slightly less great than sex. Rule breaking sex that doesn't lead to pregnancy is the best. Totes. Basically if people can get away with it with a willing partner they're going to have sex.

This is the male side of the equation. Women can answer for themselves on the greatness and pleasure of sex.

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I thought it was cuz of satan.
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just me wrote:I thought it was cuz of satan.


Satan caused you women to be filthy harlots. Men can't help themselves something something something religious nonsense something something.
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Yes, sex is great. However, it's sad that so many adults are not mature enough to use good judgment about when to and when not to! That is why God tries to advise them, but they think they know better than God, at least until their lives and/or marriages are destroyed!
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gdemetz wrote:Yes, sex is great. However, it's sad that so many adults are not mature enough to use good judgment about when to and when not to! That is why God tries to advise them, but they think they know better than God, at least until their lives and/or marriages are destroyed!


Gdemetz, in my experience of representing a party in many, many, many divorces, I have never once encountered a married couple that was splitting up because their sex life was too satisfying.
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Drifting, you mentioned "surviving copies," but just because we don't have surviving copies after all these years you will discount those those three accounts which have been recopied over and over?

Darth, that was not my point. Sex is great in it's proper time and place and with the proper person. However, when it is not, it can and often does lead to big trouble. That's why commandments regarding sex were given; not to bind us, but to help us be happier.
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gdemetz wrote:Drifting, you mentioned "surviving copies," but just because we don't have surviving copies after all these years you will discount those those three accounts which have been recopied over and over?

Right, and just because no evidence survives of the Nephites or Lamanites doesn't mean they didn't exist....got it...
You choose your beliefs based on evidence that doesn't exist.
What a shame.

Darth, that was not my point. Sex is great in it's proper time and place and with the proper person. However, when it is not, it can and often does lead to big trouble. That's why commandments regarding sex were given; not to bind us, but to help us be happier.


So, you rely on the second third and fourth hand accounts of people claiming to be speaking for God to tell you, when, where and with whom to have sex....

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Have you ever heard of faith, Drifting? The scriptures tell a lot about it.
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