Inactivity and "Coming out"

[_palerobber]

If homosexuality is your problem, it can be overcome.

so when are you going to get over the problem you have with homosexuality?

[_palerobber]

what i've seen with people in your position is that once they take that first step out the door, a lot of uncertainty and anxiety evaporates, and their journey away from not just the LDS church, but all religious faith, accelerates.

We've been conditioned to be terrified of the thought of leaving the church but when we take that step we realize pretty quickly that it isn't the end of the world. We lose "friends" but then who wants friends whose friendship depends on your religious faith?

yeah, friends come and go, but dealing with family and especially spouses can be considerably more difficult. i was very fortunate in that respect -- others i've heard from, not so lucky.

[_schreech]

I always wondered if we'd ever learn what kind of arcane and possibly gematric association the number has for why me, why he repeats it over and over like an incantation or spell. If I recall correctly, the number signifies disorder in various Biblical traditions, though I believe it was given positive attributes in Aleister Crowley's Thelemic writing. It is also the atomic number of sodium. Maybe the reason was to be found in mathematics: base 11? L. Ron Hubbard references the undecimal counting system in Battlefield Earth and Carl Sagan also makes use of it in his novel, Contact.

I have to say the reveal has been anticlimactic: 11 is a big number. Bigger than 3 or 2.

Oh, that's just the tip of the iceburg my friends:

The date of the twin tower attack: 9/11 - 9 + 1 + 1 = 11
September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11
After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of the year.
119 is the area code to Iraq/Iran. 1 + 1 + 9 = 11
Twin Towers - standing side by side look like the number 11
The first plane to hit the towers was Flight 11
State of New York - The 11th State added to the Union
New York City - 11 Letters
Afghanistan - 11 Letters
The Pentagon - 11 Letters
Ramzi Yousef - 11 Letters (convicted or orchestrating the attack at the WTC in 1993)
Flight 11 - 92 on board - 9 + 2 = 11
Flight 77 - 65 on board - 6 + 5 = 11

11 can also be used to symbolize the original 12 apostles minus judas...snap!

Oh, and joseph smith died in 1844. 18 = 7+11 and 711 offers 11 flavors of slurpee... 44 is divisible by 11 .... 11.11.11.11 has 8 characters symbolizing the 8 witnesses...I could go on and on - I think we are onto something here...its all about 11!

[_Tobin]

But there are 12 witnesses to the Book of Mormon.

[_why me]

But that experience hasn't been enough has it?
You don't attend Church or live Mormonism the way Mormon God explains you should via His Prophets and Apostles.

So why me, why wasn't the experience enough?

I have no idea how the rumor got started that I don't attend church. I do. But I don't attend all the meetings. But I do attend church. Do I live according to the Mormon god? No. Do I live according to the protestant god? No. Do I live according to the catholic god? No. Such is life.

My experience was not enough. I am only a human being. But I have never denied my experience. And the witnesses never denied theirs. I have something in common with them.

[_why me]

But there are 12 witnesses to the Book of Mormon.

That is if we iclude the Whitmer's mom. She never denied her experience either.

[_SteelHead]

Wasn't it BY who taught that the most powerful sermon a man can preach is the way he lives his life?

So why me is testifying to the truth of principles he does not live. Effect!

[_why me]

Sad how cicero does not want to regain his testimony. The witnesses can certainly help him. But he got caught up in the mumbo jumbo of the critics.

[_why me]

Wasn't it BY who taught that the most powerful sermon a man can preach is the way he lives his life?

So why me is testifying to the truth of principles he does not live. Effect!

But I am not a hypocrite. From the time when I was in my early twenties if someone would ask me what religion I am I would say: I'm Mormon, but not a good one.

I have made my own choices with my agency.

[_Bob Loblaw]

Sad how cicero does not want to regain his testimony. The witnesses can certainly help him. But he got caught up in the mumbo jumbo of the critics.

Some truth cannot be undone, no matter how much you try.

Wizard of Oz: Sad how Dorothy does not want to regain her belief in the great and powerful Oz. The smoke and flames can certainly help her. But she got caught up in the mumbo jumbo of that damned little dog pulling back the curtain.