God is Love?

[_LDSToronto]

And now for a cliché summary of this thread (cliché on my part):

Dear God - XTC

[_just me]

Maybe we need a lot of fire and brimstone on those who murder babies?

How about

AND maybe society needs to alleviate the burden and risk associated with childbirth and rearing and make contraceptives safer, work better and accessible to all the women on the planet.

Sorry. I'm just not into the murdering that seems to appeal so much to you.

[_Drifting]

If you embrace the flesh as what you are and nothing more then I can see why you feel that way. I believe we are not the flesh but a spirit that is enclosed in this temporary shell of flesh. On this earth I think we are to experience many things. At one time we are weak and the powerful crush us. And other times we are powerful and we are tempted to crush others. I think a balance must be maintained for the souls to experience all we need to in God's plan. It is said we must die in order to live. I think those words are true. We must give up this shell of flesh and walk in the spirit in order to live. I think all those who won't let go of the flesh live in the flesh over and over. Something like groundhog day except we don't carry the memories from one life to another. Since God cares for the soul and not the flesh it should be expected that entire populations at one time or another die off in order to maintain a balance between darkness and light.

To me death in the flesh is not death. To me life is when we learn what we need and become a spiritual creature so this world is not useful anymore. Then we move to places beyond the earth and the flesh so we can truly live. I think that much of the New Testament speaks of this. If you love the flesh I suspect you will get all you can handle. One day you may look beyond this world to another and see the big picture, or maybe not.

Wasn't this how David Koresh got started....?

[_Franktalk]

Wasn't this how David Koresh got started....?

I would not know. Maybe you can identify with the mind set. I do not.

[_why me]

Yes. You might also call him Eros. Your acceptance of God would be very similar to the union of Eros and Psyche.

Please consider.

Oh, yes! Beautiful. Now I need to find a depiction of Psyche for my altar.

Love this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax71wAnk ... re=related

It sort of goes with the statue.

[_PrickKicker]

If you whittle it down there are 3 main types of Love.

The love you have for strangers, in need. (Charity)
The love you have for close friends and family. (People you embrace)
The love you have as lovers. (sexual partners)

If there is a God, he is manifest through Charity.

But I don't believe there is any more, so charity is just 'human sympathy or empathy' for suffering.

[_Mooseman]

In defense of the proposition that God certainly is not an a..h... as Just Me is so oft want to say I suggest that the narcissistic prone need to back off and take a look at the big picture when judging such heady and weighty matters.

In the Bible from Moses on down what is the Lord doing? He is establishing a PEOPLE. Like cultivating a certain crop in your garden. If that is the purpose so that when Christ comes the stage is properly set that the entire reason why man is upon this earth is accomplished, the Lord does as seemeth him good to whack out all the weeds that cumber the ground and would pollute and choke off his chosen fruit. 200,000 can perish one way or another with the Lord. A tsunami, earthquake, plague or being forced to march through the brick kilns.

Hitler took it upon himself to exterminate as many Jews as he could. He was not commanded of the Lord. Moses, Samuel, David all carried out the will and purposes of the Lord in clearing away that which would corrupt the garden that the Lord intended to witness of the coming Messiah.

The Zion of the Old Testament was put upon the people from the top down. In a theocracy keen on protecting the integrity of a holy people, even IF those people are not yet much holy, but they have the potential, as if in seed, to become holy, still, rather than allow for it to be corrupted, because it is Zion and holy before the Lord, both queers and witches and adulterers and those who mouth off to parents MIGHT be killed for it. Remember that this was a top down authority mandating a rigorous enforced standard and not the AMERICA of equal rights for all manner wickedness the world loves today.

Now in the last days the Lord intended for the people to rise up and establish Zion. This was NOT a top down forced upon us Zion. The Lord intended an enlightened people who had craved Zion for almost four hundred years, having been reading ONLY the Bible and fully primed to take up Zion when it was restored and opened up for them to realize.

Interestingly enough the enlightened people were soooooooooooo enlightened that they got distracted and ran after inventions which their own hands had made and forgot in ONE GENERATION of time all that they had learned from their mother's knees about Zion and the promise of the kingdom of God upon the earth. SO! Now the entire world will burn up as kindled by the blasphemy of these last days. A day and age when people in learned disgust look narrowly back upon the Bible and call God an a..h...!

Abomination shall not reign. The earth will rest for a season from all the filth that has grown up to cover her in shame before her Maker. The Lord will yet bring forth his own Zion from where he can find it.

And again, while you languish in hell, think people, think and learn to feel after that which is more than of yourself and the self interest of a slug.

[_Chap]

And again, while you languish in hell, think people, think and learn to feel after that which is more than of yourself and the self interest of a slug.

Nightlion is really letting it all hang out now he has disguised himself with antlers.

[_PrickKicker]

Have you thought of starting your own church?

[_Mooseman]

Have you thought of starting your own church?

Actually I am my own church. Such as it is. The gospel left the Mormons when they kicked it (me) out. They did not want the gospel anyways. I tried for more than twenty years to get someone to care. President Ezra Taft Benson was the only one to "note with interest" what I was saying in a letter he kindly sent me after I submitted to him a paper on THE Book of Mormon STANDARD OF CONVERSION. He was suddenly afterward taken "ill" and my life long nemesis GBH took control and had me exed as quickly as he could orchestrate that to happen.

Makes me wonder what and if I had followed up with Benson with my New Mormon Theology that corrected the adolescent misunderstanding of LDS scripture and traditions that were not supported by a right understanding and reading of the same. And what if he was apprized of the fact that I had, on my own, with Christ in God, become an independent apostle with an honorable calling and witness to the same given me of God almost ten years previous? Yes, an apostle, not of the church but yet in the church all the same.

Hinckley was my stake president when I was a kid. A more wicked man has not lived in our day. He knew me then and sought militantly to quash my witness once it commenced for those twenty years.

Watch this space for Zion. I am not interested in anything less.