Tobin wrote:As I've said before, if you seek the truth and do the the best you can to follow God - you can never be apostate.
The church would not agree with you.
Understanding KEP and Book of Abraham issues
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_Bob Loblaw
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The church would not agree with you.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
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_Tobin
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Bob Loblaw wrote:Tobin wrote:As I've said before, if you seek the truth and do the the best you can to follow God - you can never be apostate.
The church would not agree with you.
Men make up the church. Men do not impress me. It is better to seek the truth and do what God tells you to do.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
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Tobin wrote:Men make up the church. Men do not impress me. It is better to seek the truth and do what God tells you to do.
I agree with you, but that attitude will get you in trouble in the LDS church.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
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_Drifting
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Tobin, do you sustain the First Presidency as God's choice?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.”
Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!"
Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!"
Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
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_Themis
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So according to Tobin's reasoning, which one represents Joseph and which one God
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnkefjCES-4
or maybe this one is even better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLB-uMPj27s&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnkefjCES-4
or maybe this one is even better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLB-uMPj27s&feature=related
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Tobin wrote:Who taught Joseph Smith Egyptian Hieroglyphics and when did they do this?
Well, nobody. That's kinda part of the point. He didn't know how to translate Egyptian but there's evidence suggesting that that's what he thought he was doing.
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brade wrote:Tobin wrote:Who taught Joseph Smith Egyptian Hieroglyphics and when did they do this?
Well, nobody. That's kinda part of the point. He didn't know how to translate Egyptian but there's evidence suggesting that that's what he thought he was doing.
The fact is the evidence shows he had no idea what the Egyptian Hierography meant at all. That is all the evidence shows.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
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_SteelHead
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Out of the mouth of babes....
It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war.
Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality.
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Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality.
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brade wrote:Tobin wrote:Who taught Joseph Smith Egyptian Hieroglyphics and when did they do this?
Well, nobody. That's kinda part of the point. He didn't know how to translate Egyptian but there's evidence suggesting that that's what he thought he was doing.
Another big problem with tobin's argument about the facsimiles is that if he thinks the explanations for them should be thrown out because they are wrong, then why keep any of the text.
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Themis wrote:Another big problem with tobin's argument about the facsimiles is that if he thinks the explanations for them should be thrown out because they are wrong, then why keep any of the text.
That's the killer for the whole catalyst theory in my opinion. If you believe that Joseph Smith didn't actually translate the Book of Abraham from the papyri then how do you know what to keep and what to throw out? The Holy Ghost? Yeah sorry, that one isn't working so well on me these days. That ghost dude must be seriously capricious because no one can get a consistent answer out of the guy.