Evangelical's Struggle to Address Premarital Sex & Abortion

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Morley wrote:An aside.

Just Me is this week's winner of the best new avatar award.

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That's sort of how I looked last night at Fashion Night Out...take away the hat, tie and out-of-this-world boots.

More importantly, WHAT DO I WIN???????? :mrgreen:

Oh, and to stay on topic. Sex. Satan didn't do it. :twisted:
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gdemetz wrote:I never stated that Darth.


That is exactly what you said. Let us review my statement and your response:

Darth J wrote:No, gdemetz. I've never known anyone whose sex life was made better by obeying the taboos and neuroses of a geriatric oligarchy who thinks that the random thoughts in their heads are revelations from God. However, I have known many people---and represented many clients---whose marriages and sex lives were unfulfilling because they believed that the Bretheren's attempts to micromanage their sex lives would magically make married life a state of heaven on earth. The LDS Church actively teaches a prudish, neurotic outlook toward sexuality between married partners. That attitude does not make people happier. From a previous thread:

I wrote: Instead, get married too young, preferably right off your mission, to any random active believer (since there are no such things as soulmates) so that you can have sex. Then you can look forward to a life of dissatisfaction and neurosis about sexuality as you assume that sex means "insert tab A into slot B" and that, per the counsel of church leaders, husbands and wives should not do anything "unnatural."

Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Spencer W. Kimball
“Chapter 17: The Law of Chastity”

Even though sex can be an important and satisfactory part of married life, we must remember that life is not designed just for sex.

The union of the sexes, husband and wife (and only husband and wife), was for the principal purpose of bringing children into the world. Sexual experiences were never intended by the Lord to be a mere plaything or merely to satisfy passions and lusts. We know of no directive from the Lord that proper sexual experience between husbands and wives need be limited totally to the procreation of children, but we find much evidence from Adam until now that no provision was ever made by the Lord for indiscriminate sex.


Notice that sex "can" be an important and satisfactory part of married life, not "is."

Spencer J. Condie
July 1986 Ensign

Unfortunately, some couples fail to realize that “sexual experiences were never intended by the Lord to be a mere plaything or merely to satisfy passions and lusts.” When couples engage in physical intimacy devoid of emotional and spiritual intimacy, or when they participate in unholy practices, what should be a spiritually bonding element in their marriage may actually become a disruptive force.

Russell M. Nelson
May 2006 Ensign

Marriage is both a commandment and an exalting principle of the gospel. Because it is ordained of God, the intimate physical expressions of married love are sacred. Yet all too commonly, these divine gifts are desecrated. If a couple allows lewd language or pornography to corrupt their intimacy, they offend their Creator while they degrade and diminish their own divine gifts.

And here's a book that's not an official publication of the Church. It's just teachings of a president of the Church, published by a company owned by the Church, sold in stores owned by the Church, and quoted repeatedly in an official church manual:

Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, pages 311-312

Sexual relations in marriage are not unrestrained. Even though sex can be an important and satisfactory part of married life, we must remember that life is not designed just for sex. Even marriage does not make proper certain extremes in sexual indulgence. To the Ephesian saints Paul begged for propriety in marriage: "So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself." (Ephesians 5:28.) And the Lord's condemnation included secret sexual sins in marriage, when he said: "And those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God." (D&C 132:52)"
If it is unnatural, you just don't do it. That is all, and all the family life should be kept clean and worthy and on a very high plane. There are some people who have said that behind the bedroom doors anything goes. That is not true and the Lord would not condone it.


gdemetz wrote:How secular Darth! The new philosophy! Unfortunately, it is failing miserably! Just look around you and see the condition the world is in now that it has started heeding those who supposedly know better than God! Breaking down those taboos, as you say, has led to many MORE divorces, sexually transmitted diseases, broken relationships, broken hearts, unwanted pregnancies, abortions, and the list goes on and on!!!
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Re: Evangelical's Struggle to Address Premarital Sex & Abort

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Yes, you quoted me Darth, but in my quote I stated nothing derogatory about sex in marriage. The last quote you mentioned tells it like it is.
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