quark wrote:I agree that it does sound wonderful. It is wonderful that God has a husband and that God has a wife. In other words, the LDS church must believe there are two parent Gods in the heavens. Did you hear that? TWO Gods! Amazing indeed! The problem is, they will never admit to this glorious truth.
Which makes it worse because it means that the Mother God is in an abusive relationship.
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quark wrote:I agree that it does sound wonderful. It is wonderful that God has a husband and that God has a wife. In other words, the LDS church must believe there are two parent Gods in the heavens. Did you hear that? TWO Gods! Amazing indeed! The problem is, they will never admit to this glorious truth.
Which makes it worse because it means that the Mother God is in an abusive relationship.
Was that ever in doubt?
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quark wrote:I agree that it does sound wonderful. It is wonderful that God has a husband and that God has a wife. In other words, the LDS church must believe there are two parent Gods in the heavens. Did you hear that? TWO Gods! Amazing indeed! The problem is, they will never admit to this glorious truth.
Which makes it worse because it means that the Mother God is in an abusive relationship.
At least, we know she *has been* at one time. There is no evidence that the marriage is still intact.
why me wrote:...Maybe they had their own conversation about the price of gas.
Maybe. So? Why are you offering up irrelevant trivia. Maybe there were fruit flies gathering on some bananas in the kitchen as well.
Maybe. But I don't buy his story. Where was his wife during this intimate and sensitive conversation? Where was the bishop? And would the bishop appreciate this conversation that he had with his wife? We need to remember that consig has been claiming that he is considered to be a loose canon in the ward by the bishopric and by the priesthood holders. And yet, here is is over the bishop's house having such a conversation with the bishop's wife.
Criticizing the LDS church. Amazing.
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why me wrote:Maybe. But I don't buy his story. Where was his wife during this intimate and sensitive conversation? Where was the bishop? And would the bishop appreciate this conversation that he had with his wife? We need to remember that consig has been claiming that he is considered to be a loose canon in the ward by the bishopric and by the priesthood holders. And yet, here is is over the bishop's house having such a conversation with the bishop's wife.
Criticizing the LDS church. Amazing.
How is stating the obvious "criticizing the LDS church"? If he had said something untrue or hostile, it might be an attack, but the truth is the truth, unvarnished or not.
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Bob Loblaw wrote: How is stating the obvious "criticizing the LDS church"? If he had said something untrue or hostile, it might be an attack, but the truth is the truth, unvarnished or not.
Though most Mormons have been taught there is a power in simply declaring the truth, many have forgotten.
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why me wrote:Maybe. But I don't buy his story. Where was his wife during this intimate and sensitive conversation? Where was the bishop? And would the bishop appreciate this conversation that he had with his wife? We need to remember that consig has been claiming that he is considered to be a loose canon in the ward by the bishopric and by the priesthood holders. And yet, here is is over the bishop's house having such a conversation with the bishop's wife.
Criticizing the LDS church. Amazing.
How is stating the obvious "criticizing the LDS church"? If he had said something untrue or hostile, it might be an attack, but the truth is the truth, unvarnished or not.
good grief bob, consigs whole conversation was hostile...White males keep you oppressed; White males are scared of God having a wife or scared of her.
My first thought was "where is the Bishop husband", consigs designs are to undermine the Church, he did a fantastic job by undermining a Bishop via the Bishops wife.
liz3564 wrote: I am glad you were able to talk with her and make her feel better. Out of curiosity, what did her husband, the bishop have to say about your thoughts?
In spite of Why Me's curious conclusion jumping, her husband, the bishop, was present (virtually) throughout the conversation, and when he did reenter the living room after a brief hiatus, I filled him in on what was transpiring.
On a couple of occasions, I did look over to him and asked if he was okay with my saying these things, and he nodded in the affirmative.
And for those of you with puerile inclinations, my wife was present at all times during my discussion with the bishop's wife and expressed sympathetic concerns.
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All the Best!
--Consiglieri
You prove yourself of the devil and anti-mormon every word you utter, because only the devil perverts facts to make their case.--ldsfaqs (6-24-13)
3sheets2thewind wrote: My first thought was "where is the Bishop husband", consigs designs are to undermine the Church, he did a fantastic job by undermining a Bishop via the Bishops wife.
I think the most effective and faith-affirming thing we can do for people like the bishop's wife is not to feed them a bunch of correlated crap about how Heavenly Mother is too sacred to talk about, but to actually listen and affirm she is not alone in her concerns.
That is all I did. And I wager she is feeling better mentally and spiritually than she has in years.
All the Best!
--Consiglieri
You prove yourself of the devil and anti-mormon every word you utter, because only the devil perverts facts to make their case.--ldsfaqs (6-24-13)
3sheets2thewind wrote:A more reasonable and less speculative answer about Heavenly Mother is:
God is a polygamist and thus we all for the most part have a different Mother in Heaven.
Close, but not quite.
Jesus is the only begotten of the Father. That means that none of us are literal spirit children of the Father. We are spirit children of Celestial beings and so the concept of a Heavenly Mother is a bit problematic. There is the Heavenly Mother that with our Heavenly Father formed the spirit of the Savior. So, in proxy, like the Father, she could be considered our Heavenly Mother. But in a strict sense, our actual Heavenly parents were neither one, but other Celestial parents who have been exalted on worlds before this one was formed. These are our true heavenly parents, who formed our spirits under the direction and command of God.
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