https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... qus_thread
Here is the comparison Chapstick draws:
http://wordtree.org/thelatewar/#liahona
It's a dead hit if there ever is one. So much is it for the apologists to comprehend, that it's this point wherein Midgley loses it and offers Interpreter 200$ to ban Chapstick. A few of the other apologists at least try and respond:
Sorry LB, not going to do. Sure, it's "familiar" enough to the KJV. Here is the sole hit for "curious works":LB wrote:The Late War doesn't describe something very similar to the Liahona. It describes something entirely different, but uses familiar KJV language in doing so. There are no torpedos or explosive devices or clocks in the Book of Mormon, and the torpedos in The Late War did not function as compasses and did not have spindles (neither one nor two).
vs:And to devise curious works, to work in gold, and in silver, and in brass,
round ball of curious workmanship; and it was of fine brass. And within the ball were two spindles;
Come on -- a brass ball of "curious works" with two clock spindles! "Smoking Gun!"were made partly of brass and partly of iron, and were cunningly contrived with curious works, like unto a clock; and as it were a large ball.
Literary borrowing aren't without adaption. This romantically depicted weapon found a new use as a magic compass. The poignant description is what Joseph Smith had set his eyes on, not the use case. What did the second spindle of the Liahona do? Nobody knows! If he were inventing it himself rather than borrowing, he'd have made it with just the single spindle to work like a compass. Here he is dictating, the words of Hunt burn in his imagination from his school days, he describes the mysterious device and he remembers the words well, and then, suddenly, "compass" just comes out and that's what he goes with. But he's left with an extra spindle.
Perhaps DCP should take a second look at the similarities between the description of the torpedoes and the Liahona.DCP wrote:Plainly, the 1999-2000 HBO Family children's animated television series A Little Curious, which featured a narrator named "Bob the Ball," was also plagiarized from The Late War:
Sam LeFevered offers an incomprehensible attempt at parody. Not worth citing.
Um, I believe it's the description of the torpedoes at issue here. I'll bet if I looked, the point is made at least 27 times within the Interpreter itself regarding literary adaption and borrowing. It would just be in a faith-promoting context rather than a critical one.Jack wrote:Now, Chapstick, surely you're not suggesting that these ball-shaped torpedoes filled with enough black powder to blow a ship in two were the inspiration behind the Liahona--
Shifting gears, here is Chapstick responding to a rant by Michael L.J.D:
Nice catch, Chapstick!Michael, “It's amazing how you and other critics of the Book of Mormon, hilariously surmise that although Joseph brought forth the book (amidst his poverty and persecutions), in only two months.”
Where have I ever said that Michael? Also, I’m not aware of any critic(s) that claim or surmise Joseph Smith brought forth the book in two months. You should familiarize yourself on what the “critics” actually say.
Lehi's dream is not very deep. If Michel Foucault were to have commented on "The Little Engine Who Could" it would've been really deep also.BoL wrote:Easy. Lehi's dream is as deep and significant as any literature in the Bible or other sacred writing.
Well, Allan, it was posited that Lehi's dream is wholly original and rivals anything else out there. I guess you disagree?Allan Wyatt wrote:Besides something "special" in the Book of Mormon, you ask for "unique teachings or doctrine" that it contains. I'm curious where you ever got the idea that it SHOULD contain unique teachings or doctrine.
Good Lord. If they did, we wouldn't have heard about Bob the Ball.DCP wrote:How I wish that logic were a required course in both high school and college
Michael L doubles down on his claims that Joseph Smith couldn't possibly made up such an impressive and difficult book. Chapstick repeatedly asks for an example, and finally Michael caves:
In other words, all that depth is an illusion and it's really a subjective thing.But the BEST source of discovering unique spiritual revelation from within the pages of the Book of Mormon is the personal revelatory insight you'll gain from the Spirit
Well, there are more examples of Dan throwing insults, Sam being incomprehensible, and others being off topic. Anyway, I thought we could all use a reminder about the Late War / Book of Mormon connection. It would be hard to argue that the Book of Mormon is a literary masterpiece without also recognizing the greatness of the Late War.