3sheets2thewind wrote:A more reasonable and less speculative answer about Heavenly Mother is:
God is a polygamist and thus we all for the most part have a different Mother in Heaven.
Close, but not quite.
Jesus is the only begotten of the Father. That means that none of us are literal spirit children of the Father. We are spirit children of Celestial beings and so the concept of a Heavenly Mother is a bit problematic. There is the Heavenly Mother that with our Heavenly Father formed the spirit of the Savior. So, in proxy, like the Father, she could be considered our Heavenly Mother. But in a strict sense, our actual Heavenly parents were neither one, but other Celestial parents who have been exalted on worlds before this one was formed. These are our true heavenly parents, who formed our spirits under the direction and command of God.
This sounds a little different from the account I recall reading and hearing elsewhere.
Is that just me, or are we hearing from Tobin's panda informant rather than from the correlated doctrine of the CoJCoLDS?
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3sheets2thewind wrote:A more reasonable and less speculative answer about Heavenly Mother is:
God is a polygamist and thus we all for the most part have a different Mother in Heaven.
Close, but not quite.
Jesus is the only begotten of the Father. That means that none of us are literal spirit children of the Father. We are spirit children of Celestial beings and so the concept of a Heavenly Mother is a bit problematic. There is the Heavenly Mother that with our Heavenly Father formed the spirit of the Savior. So, in proxy, like the Father, she could be considered our Heavenly Mother. But in a strict sense, our actual Heavenly parents were neither one, but other Celestial parents who have been exalted on worlds before this one was formed. These are our true heavenly parents, who formed our spirits under the direction and command of God.
Once again Tobin, despite meeting God in person, demonstrates that he has no idea what Mormonism (God's one true religion) teaches....
Gospel Principles Chapter 2: Our Heavenly Family
We Are Children of Our Heavenly Father •What do scriptures and latter-day prophets teach us about our relationship to God? God is not only our Ruler and Creator; He is also our Heavenly Father. All men and women are literally the sons and daughters of God. “Man, as a spirit, was begotten and born of heavenly parents, and reared to maturity in the eternal mansions of the Father, prior to coming upon the earth in a temporal [physical] body” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph F. Smith [1998], 335).
Every person who was ever born on earth is our spirit brother or sister. Because we are the spirit children of God, we have inherited the potential to develop His divine qualities. Through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, we can become like our Heavenly Father and receive a fulness of joy.
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consiglieri wrote:Memo to Why Me--What is your problem?
Seriously, why the hate for Consig? He's easily one of the most decent persons on this board.
That's probably his issue. Jealousy.
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Chap wrote:Is that just me, or are we hearing from Tobin's panda informant rather than from the correlated doctrine of the CoJCoLDS?
When has that ever not been the case?
And correlated doctrine is usually pretty brain dead to start with. You can actually piece this together with very little effort. The scriptures make it clear that Jesus the only begotten of the Father. Also, the Mormon temple ordinances fill in the rest of the pieces. Those who are willing to follow God will become Celestial beings, who will form spirit children in the eternities after this life. Now, where do all these spirit children go? The answer is patently obvious: to worlds like ours. What that means is that WE are spirit children of those that have been saved and exalted before this world was formed. This is one eternal cycle and has happened before and will happen again and happens throughout the universe on worlds without number.
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consiglieri wrote: On a couple of occasions, I did look over to him and asked if he was okay with my saying these things, and he nodded in the affirmative.
Umm, anyone else notice this. Do we think of asking approval of the wife before discussing with the husband some issue. The culture of the patriarchal order can be hard to get rid of, but then you were talking to someone who may view it as God's way.
Is the idea of Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother both being equally powerful Gods too crazy to talk about or believe? Am I up in the night, thinking this idea might be a viable, respectable doctrine? Or do you think it defies logic somehow? I don't see how it defies logic. That is, unless you think it is impossible to have two infinite beings in one little Universe. Maybe there isn't room in the Inn for the two of them?
How much more awesome can you get than this? To have an omniscient and omnipotent female God is pretty unique and interesting, if you ask me.