Tobin wrote: All "true" prophets of God teach one to seek after and speak with God do as he asks. Joseph Smith is no different. All those who are false prophets (many on this forum) will teach and preach against that. That is how you tell which is which and it has ever been that way.
Tobin,
You are doing very poorly on this thread. Best to stop posting and hope the thread will drop below the fold.
Borrow a page from the Book of MAD and try to get the threads on which you look silly either closed or off the first page as soon as possible.
Just trying to help you out.
I feel sorry for you that you feel the message that seeking and speaking with God falls below your bar of honest discourse. It has ever been the message of Mormonism and I can understand why someone like you can't tolerate such a message. I'm sure the thought of humbling yourself and truly seeking after and speaking with a God you don't believe in is horrifying. As I'm sure you will seek to hide and wish the mountains would cover you when the Lord returns and you realize that all that you fought against is true.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Dr. Shades wrote:In FAIRness, what man who is with multiple other women doesn't lie to his wife?
Good point. As our FAIR friends would say, there is no reason to believe that a man who lies about extra marital affairs would lie about anything else.
This, or any other post that I have made or will make in the future, is strictly my own opinion and consequently of little or no value.
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true" Twain.
Tobin wrote:As I've said before on this forum, you don't believe Joseph Smith because of what he claimed, did, didn't do, and so on. You believe him because God tells you to. Joseph Smith was an imperfect man and had many flaws. Usually he isn't guilty of the flaws the critics accuse him of, but he had flaws nevertheless. For a Mormon, that is really unimportant. It is what he tells us about God and what God revealed to him that is important. Everything else is between Joseph Smith and God and I'll let God judge him as God will judge us all.
Tobin wrote:As I've said before on this forum, you don't believe Joseph Smith because of what he claimed, did, didn't do, and so on. You believe him because God tells you to. Joseph Smith was an imperfect man and had many flaws. Usually he isn't guilty of the flaws the critics accuse him of, but he had flaws nevertheless. For a Mormon, that is really unimportant. It is what he tells us about God and what God revealed to him that is important. Everything else is between Joseph Smith and God and I'll let God judge him as God will judge us all.
I completely agree with you.
Let's alter it a little. What if a member of the FLDS church said this:
As I've said before on this forum, you don't believe Warren Jeffs because of what he claimed, did, didn't do, and so on. You believe him because God tells you to. Warren Jeffs was an imperfect man and had many flaws. Usually he isn't guilty of the flaws the critics accuse him of, but he had flaws nevertheless. For a Fundamentalist Mormon, that is really unimportant. It is what he tells us about God and what God revealed to him that is important. Everything else is between Warren Jeffs and God and I'll let God judge him as God will judge us all.
Tobin wrote:... For a Mormon, that is really unimportant...
Yep. Thank you again for reminding just how screwed up this church really is.
by the way...any idiot who believes the above quote would also have to believe this quote as well.
for a Mormon, that is really unimportant. - Warren Jeffs
"Jesus gave us the gospel, but Satan invented church. It takes serious evil to formalize faith into something tedious and then pile guilt on anyone who doesn’t participate enthusiastically." - Robert Kirby
Beer makes you feel the way you ought to feel without beer. -- Henry Lawson
Tobin wrote:As I've said before on this forum, you don't believe Joseph Smith because of what he claimed, did, didn't do, and so on. You believe him because God tells you to.
No, you believe Joseph because Joseph himself told you that's what God wants.
You're not claiming that when He visited you in person, God told you to believe Joseph claims are you?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Stormy Waters wrote:Let's alter it a little. What if a member of the FLDS church said this:
As I've said before on this forum, you don't believe Warren Jeffs because of what he claimed, did, didn't do, and so on. You believe him because God tells you to. Warren Jeffs was an imperfect man and had many flaws. Usually he isn't guilty of the flaws the critics accuse him of, but he had flaws nevertheless. For a Fundamentalist Mormon, that is really unimportant. It is what he tells us about God and what God revealed to him that is important. Everything else is between Warren Jeffs and God and I'll let God judge him as God will judge us all.
Would you still agree?
Yes, let people of conscience follow their conscience and God. I would tell you the exact same thing. That you should seek God and do what God tells you to do. I have not specified what that is. And if others are doing what they feel God wants them to do, harming no one, doing good, etc. then leave them be. I don't feel a need to get on an internet forum and belittle the FLDS for what they believe. I also feel no need to do so for Catholics, Jews, Muslims, and so on. Why should Mormons be treated any differently?
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"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Tobin wrote:... For a Mormon, that is really unimportant...
Yep. Thank you again for reminding just how screwed up this church really is.
by the way...any idiot who believes the above quote would also have to believe this quote as well.
for a Mormon, that is really unimportant. - Warren Jeffs
In my experience, only an idiot would take a partial quote and remove all the rest of the context.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Tobin wrote:Yes, let people of conscience follow their conscience and God. I would tell you the exact same thing. That you should seek God and do what God tells you to do. I have not specified what that is. And if others are doing what they feel God wants them to do, harming no one, doing good, etc. then leave them be. I don't feel a need to get on an internet forum and belittle the FLDS for what they believe. I also feel no need to do so for Catholics, Jews, Muslims, and so on. Why should Mormons be treated any differently?
So the reality that Warren Jeff's had sex with a twelve year old can be ignored? Can people of conscience just overlook that? Can those people look at the fruit of their prophet and say that maybe they are in the wrong religion?
