Romney's desperation forces more lying

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Romney's desperation forces more lying

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It is so sad to think this man believes he could be President. He proves he is not up to the task as President by ignorantly jumping to conclusions based on partial evidence provided to him, no doubt, by FOX News.

We're still mourning the tragedy that just took place in Libya, and the first thing Romney can think to do is politicize it to his advantage. He runs to the media to blame Obama for doing something he never did, saying Obama didn't condemn their actions but instead "apologized for American values."

It is as if Romney has decided that from now on he will make it a point to prove how morally bankrupt and incompetent he really is. He isn't even smart enough to realize that with these pathetic attacks, he is only pandering to his nut-job base, and that the rest of the non-deluded world sees him as a coward and a liar.

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WASHINGTON -- On Wednesday morning, hours after the deaths of four U.S. diplomats, including the U.S. ambassador to Libya, Mitt Romney put his campaign on the line by attacking President Barack Obama and the besieged diplomats in the Middle East.

Romney, in a statement released Tuesday night, had called the president's handling of the Libya and Egypt attacks "disgraceful." Wednesday morning, Romney hastily scrapped a campaign rally in Jacksonville, Fla., dismantling a campaign stage, and instead held a small press conference in which he repeatedly defended his criticism of the administration, slamming embassy officials in Cairo and President Obama. "When our grounds are being attacked, and being breached, that the first response of the United States must be outrage at the breach of the sovereignty of our nation. And apology for America's values is never the right course," he said, slamming the Obama administration for "sympathiz[ing] with those who waged the attacks."

The attacks at the consulate in Libya, and a separate incident at the U.S. embassy in Cairo, came on a day of violence and anger over rumors of an anti-Islamic film scheduled for released in the United States and circulated on the Internet.

Romney's assault on Obama was rare among Republicans. Sarah Palin and Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus joined him in condemning the president, but no other significant GOP leader thought it prudent to immediately single out the president for criticism. House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) and Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) all put out statements on the crisis, none attacking Obama.

A host of Republican foreign policy officials were quick to blast the "utter disaster" that was Romney's response.

Romney's reference to an "apology for America's values" was directed at a statement the U.S. Embassy in Cairo put out on Tuesday morning, but that statement, which was itself responding to the outrage over the anti-Islamic film, was issued before the embassy was attacked, despite Romney's statement to the contrary. What's more, the statement does not apologize for America's values, but rather supports a founding American value, religious tolerance, while referencing the "universal right of free speech." The statement in full:

The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims -- as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others.


Romney's rash condemnation of the president, released after it was known that there had been U.S. fatalities, calls to mind Sen. John McCain's snap decision in 2008 to suspend his presidential campaign to deal with the financial crisis. The move was judged deeply unpresidential and contributed to his defeat.

After the Cairo embassy's initial statement, as a mob protest outside the embassy heated up, even entering the compound, and commentators in the U.S. suggested the embassy condemn the protesters, the embassy responded through its Twitter feed: "Of course we condemn breaches of our compound, we’re the ones actually living through this."

The embassy added: "Sorry, but neither breaches of our compound or angry messages will dissuade us from defending freedom of speech AND criticizing bigotry."

The diplomats in Cairo survived the assault on their embassy. When the protests spread to Libya, diplomats there weren't so lucky: Four U.S. State Department officials, including Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens, were killed in an hourslong assault. Romney responded by attacking the diplomats in Cairo.

"The embassy in Cairo put out a statement after their grounds had been breached, protesters were inside the grounds," said Romney at his press conference. "They reiterated that statement after the breach. I think it's a -- a terrible course for America to stand in apology for our values."

Did Romney expect the Cairo diplomats to retract their defense of religious tolerance in the face of the attack? Or did Romney expect the Obama administration to denounce the diplomats who were under siege?

"It's their administration," said Romney, referring to the embassy in Cairo. "Their administration spoke. The president takes responsibility not just for the words that come from his mouth but also from the words of his ambassadors, from his administration, from his embassies, from his State Department. They clearly sent mixed messages to the world. The statement that came from the administration -- and the embassy is the administration -- the statement that came from the administration was a statement which is akin to apology. And I think was a severe miscalculation."

Reporters in Washington have been as quick to condemn Romney as he was to condemn Obama and the embassy officials. "Unless Mitt has gamed crisis out in some manner completely invisible to Gang of 500, doubling down=most craven+ill-advised move of '12," Time's Mark Halperin tweeted, referring to the Beltway establishment.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and President Obama, meanwhile, struck a somber and emotional tone, offering remembrances for the American diplomats who lost their lives in the violence.

In an appearance in the Rose Garden on Wednesday, flanked by Clinton, the president spoke about the events the night before, pledging that the incidents would "not break the bonds between the United States and Libya."

"We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others," Obama said, referencing the anti-Islamic video, "but there is no justification for this kind of violence. None."

Libyan security workers had helped bring other American diplomats to safety during the crisis, Obama noted, and had transported the ambassador to the hospital.

"It is especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it's a city he helped to save at the height of the Libyan revolution," Obama said.

Earlier in the morning at the State Department, a shaken Clinton talked about Stevens and the other diplomats who had been killed and strongly denounced the attacks at the outpost in Libya.

"This is an attack that should shock the conscience of people of all faiths around the world," she said. "We condemn in the strongest terms this senseless act of violence."

With her eyes occasionally watering, Clinton spoke at length about Ambassador Stevens, whom she knew well and whom she had personally dispatched to Libya at the beginning to the uprising against Muammar Gaddafi, to be the American attache to the rebel leadership.

"He arrived on a cargo ship in the port of Benghazi and began building our relationship with the Libyan revolutionaries," she said. "He risked his life to stop a tyrant, then gave his life trying to help build a better Libya. The world needs more Chris Stevenses."

Clinton too pledged to maintain America's relationship with Libya, although she conceded that events like those on Tuesday challenged even her certainty.

"Today many Americans are asking -- indeed, I ask myself -- how could this happen," Clinton said. "How could this happen in a country we helped liberate, in a city we helped save from destruction. This question reflects just how complicated, and at times how confounding, the world can be. But we must be clear-eyed even in our grief: This was an attack by a small and savage group, not the people or the government of Libya."

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This election season just keeps looking better and better for Obama.
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Re: Romney's desperation forces more lying

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apart from all the lying, it's pretty disgusting for Romney to embrace a bigoted Egyptian ex-convict trying to incite Muslim-Jewish violence as representing "America's values".
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Let's be clear. The same person who served two and a half years in france and hence avoided service in the Vietnam war he supported has the gall to criticize the statements of the very people whose lives were potentially in serious danger in Cairo.

You think if someone had crafted such a statement to criticize anti-mormons Romney would still object?

This is truly disgusting, and I suspect only the most die-hard partisans can't see it as such.
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I tuned into Sean Hannity's radio show for a minute this afternoon to check on what he was talking about, and he was making the same claims, that Obama reacted to the attack by apologizing to terrorists for "hurting their feelings" about their religion. I wonder if he will include "lied repeatedly to win political points" in the confessional this Sunday?

Ignoring the fact that the comment from the Cairo embassy was well before any actual attack, how a tweet from an embassy officer becomes something the president did or said is truly mind-boggling.

This kind of lying could be an Olympic event that Romney could actually win. He would wipe out the competition in the "brazenness" category.
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beastie wrote:You think if someone had crafted such a statement to criticize anti-mormons Romney would still object?

I'm sure he would consider criticism of The Godmakers, or of the temple scene in Big Love, to be a great attack on American values.
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You think if someone had crafted such a statement to criticize anti-mormons Romney would still object?
Don'cha know, it is a one-way window/mirror there. It is so obvious-- and just the thing that could cause The End, if Romney were to become president.
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It's as if the Bretheren have hauled Romney in and said "Listen son, we can't afford for you to win so we need to you go out there and cock the job up."
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You know, it does seem to me that if there is a God, "he" doesn't want Romney to win. Imagine God whispering to Romney, "My child, go out and campaign with Pat Roberston" all the while knowing that the VERY NEXT DAY Robertson was going to mouth off about wife beating and rebellious women as children. lol ...."There, now, that will fix your women problem.... snicker...."
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Romney to ABC News (9/14/2012):
I think the whole film is a terrible idea. I think him making it, promoting it showing it is disrespectful to people of other faiths. I don’t think that should happen. I think people should have the common courtesy and judgment– the good judgment– not to be– not to offend other peoples’ faiths. It’s a very bad thing, I think, this guy’s doing.


i don't get it -- why is Romney apologizing for American values and sympathizing with the terrorists?
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One of the people involved with this "film" engages in anti-mormonism, as well.

Klein founded Courageous Christians United, which conducts protests outside abortion clinics, Mormon temples and mosques, and started Concerned Citizens for the First Amendment, which preaches against Muslims and publishes volumes of anti-Muslim propaganda that Klein distributes. He also has helped train paramilitary militias at the church of Kaweah near Three Rivers, about an hour southeast of Fresno, to prepare for what they believe is a coming holy war with Muslim sleeper cells, according to the law center.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/1 ... 82595.html
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