Boring dead drama is boring and dead

[_SteelHead]

Ray,
You know that when you point a finger at someone there are 3 pointing back at oneself?

[_RayAgostini]

Ray,
You know that when you point a finger at someone there are 3 pointing back at oneself?

Perhaps you should point this out to Ms.Jack. She'll appeal to "Christianity" and "Christian teachings", when it seems to suit her. She's very rude to people who don't crawl over broken glass or be careful not to step on egg shells, when addressing her. I only know of one sinless person - and it's not Ms. Jack.

[_SteelHead]

Surely you know more than one sinless person?


By the theology you follow sub 8 year olds are sinless and innocent.

[_sunstoned]

Pahoran is my hero. His posts on the FAIR board were very influential for me. I loved the way he fought back against the critics and he made their dubious tactics very clear to me. You are doing a good job, Pahoran.

Really? Your have some sick sense of what a hero is. Pahoran's approach to "fighting back" is to attack the person, and not the subject, and then to retreat and hide behind the skirts of the moderators. His obnoxious and rude behavior have pushed many struggling members out of the church.

Pahoran is a shallow thinker of limited intellect. In a open debate with level moderation, he would be cut to pieces. This is why you seldom see him on this board.

[_RayAgostini]

Surely you know more than one sinless person?


By the theology you follow sub 8 year olds are sinless and innocent.

They are not sinless. Their sins are covered by the atonement of Christ, and when they reach the age of accountability, they are baptised "for the remission of sins", and from thence they begin to be accountable.

[_cwald]

This thread is really making the apoligists and the church look bad. It is hurting my testimony. I would humbly request and plead for the moderators to lock the thread. And thread ban msjack.

Thank you moderators from preventing me from learning the truth and for protecting my testimony of the one TRUE church.

[_RayAgostini]

This thread is really making the apoligists and the church look bad. It is hurting my testimony. I would humbly request and plead for the moderators to lock the thread. And thread ban msjack.

Thank you moderators from preventing me from learning the truth and for protecting my testimony of the one TRUE church.

You had a testimony? Oh, okay.

[_Yoda]

Hold the phone. . . the MD&D moderators ban people for things they say in private messages??

Uh..yeah...exhibit A here. LOL This surprises you, how, Shades?

[_Pahoran]

I do not believe for a second that you did not see any of the MADB threads in 2010 or the post at my blog where I protested Dan's posting of my private correspondence.

I don't remember what I read in 2010. I don't follow your blog, so I don't know what, if anything, you wrote on that subject.

No one knows Scratch's true identity.

Up until recently, that was probably true. Certainly it seems that those who did know it closed ranks to protect it so that he could cower behind a shield of anonymity while continuing his relentless and obsessive public smear campaign. However, that is no longer the case.

He may be Gerald Bradford or one of the 18 people Dan CC'ed the message to.

He isn't.

So by that reasoning, you can't know that he had no right to post it.

He didn't. By any standard.

Your mind-reading is defective. I am "dodging" nothing.

You most certainly are.

And, blind as ever to your own faults, you probably genuinely fail to see how nasty you are being.

I am dodging nothing, and if you knew how to carry on a discussion in good faith, you would accept that fact simply because I am the sole world authority on what is in my mind, and you are in no position to gainsay my unique knowledge on the subject.

If you require further explanation (not that you are entitled to demand any) I will point out that you are the one who made this thread about who can or cannot be trusted with what you regard as "private correspondence." I am no more "dodging" your shrill and insistent demand than a parent who, when asked for permission for a questionable activity, is "dodging" when s/he insists that it must be the child's own decision. I'm simply seeing if you can be trusted on your own terms.

Yup. Comes from working in special collections for both BYU and TIU, where I was taught not to gab in public about the sensitive things I was learning about the lives of real people (some of them well-known figures in Mormonism). Unless other extenuating circumstances apply (illegal activity, etc.), what happens in privacy should stay in privacy until the permission of all parties is granted. "Sanctity" is absolutely the appropriate word for it.

I won't publish our private correspondence without your express permission (which I had immediately asked for as soon as you replied to me, you'll recall---so it's not like you didn't know I was interested before you replied to me 10 more times). Rest easy. I will stand by what I believe, and your abusive behavior will stay between the two of us.

As will yours. For which you may one day be grateful.

My PMs to you were not nasty in the slightest, which is why I am the the only one between us who would not be ashamed of having them published.

Your blindness to your own faults remains firmly in place.

In any case, attempting to "peacemake" while berating the other party for making a small, polite request is not Christian behavior. I didn't require groveling or even an apology, either. Had your original message said something like this:

"Dear Ms. Jack,

I have removed your private correspondence from my posts at MDDB. I would appreciate it if you would remove mention of the matter from your blog

Regards,
Pahoran"

I would have done it in a heartbeat.

Dear Ms. Jack,

As you have known for some time, I have removed your private correspondence from my posts at MDDB. It was virtually the first thing I did after seeing your initial PM and before I replied thereto. That was a matter of actual substance, and not mere style. I would appreciate it if you could find some equally meaningful way to reciprocate that action. Such a gesture on your part would, by a large margin, outweigh all the berating you have dished out over the last few days.

"A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger." <==== Christianity

Actually Proverbs 15:1 is a Jewish text which we Christians have merely co-opted (or perhaps inherited) but I shall let that pass. I will simply point out that slyly insinuating that your opponent is not a Christian because of the faults of which you accuse him, when in reality the question is irrelevant to the dispute at hand, is very harsh and not at all gentle.

Regards,
Pahoran

[_Pahoran]

Where's the chicken-crapping-itself icon when you need it?

Why? Running out of Darren McGavin avatars?

Regards,
Pahoran