Was Jesus Married?

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just me wrote:
Nightlion wrote:Let's give this a little scriptural context, shall we please:

I think a better translation might have been: "My wife are those who are able to be my disciples."


I didn't know you could translate! Where did you get your degree?

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I am only suggesting it as it makes better sense given all that I DO know.
Yet I do know something of the relative weakness of subjectivity leading interpretations.
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Nightlion wrote:Zeezman, if you open up your understanding to the fact that God and Christ are NOT sexual beings then Jesus IS both male and female at the same time...

How can you be male and female yet not be a sexual being?

If God was neither male nor female, then I would understand. But I have little interest in such a creature.
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zeezrom wrote:
Nightlion wrote:Zeezman, if you open up your understanding to the fact that God and Christ are NOT sexual beings then Jesus IS both male and female at the same time...

How can you be male and female yet not be a sexual being?

If God was neither male nor female, then I would understand. But I have little interest in such a creature.


To be sexual you need to carry seeds (male) or the capacity to conceive seed (female) A body absent either capacity would be God. He is neither carnal nor sensual. Meaning no sex drive is in him. D&C 29. To conceive his seed what does Christ do?
He makes an atonement which has the power to conceive his sons and daughters by covenant (Word) alone. We take his name upon us and he puts his name upon us. This covenant is by the word of his power which are his commandments which is the ONLY way God does things. Again see Doctrine and Covenants 29.

It supposes me that since God is called Man of Holiness that male is the default form when a body does not come by way of the seeds. This has only occurred once. Mary was not the mother of Jesus as it was not her ovum which conceived the Son of Man. It was a clone that utilized the first ovulation of Eve when her seed was multiplied and replenished unto her after she partook of the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. She needed a replenishment because she had previously exhausted all her powers of conception in her exaltation before she was placed into the Garden of Eden.

The seed of the woman once replenished was typified as being Christ who shall bruise the serpents head as the serpent shall bruise the heel of Christ. See Genesis and Moses. When you have seen Christ you have seen the Father. Of course since Jesus was a clone of the body of the Father which sits upon the Very Throne of Power.

by the way who would desire to be stuck upon even the Very Throne of Power with no vacation from it? God takes a break. And when his turn to be a Christ rolls around he will be able to forget all he knows for a season. What a relief! He gets to be a kid and have a mom. Great!
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Nightlion wrote:To be sexual you need to carry seeds (male) or the capacity to conceive seed (female)
You do?

A body absent either capacity would be God. He is neither carnal nor sensual. Meaning no sex drive is in him.
A being that is unable to understand sensuality is lacking indeed. :(

He gets to be a kid and have a mom. Great!

Oh, so he really does have human qualities after all. Is his mother also devoid of such human aspects, such as being female?
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Nightlion wrote:To be sexual you need to carry seeds (male) or the capacity to conceive seed (female) A body absent either capacity would be God. He is neither carnal nor sensual. Meaning no sex drive is in him. D&C 29. To conceive his seed what does Christ do?
He makes an atonement which has the power to conceive his sons and daughters by covenant (Word) alone. We take his name upon us and he puts his name upon us. This covenant is by the word of his power which are his commandments which is the ONLY way God does things. Again see Doctrine and Covenants 29.

It supposes me that since God is called Man of Holiness that male is the default form when a body does not come by way of the seeds. This has only occurred once. Mary was not the mother of Jesus as it was not her ovum which conceived the Son of Man. It was a clone that utilized the first ovulation of Eve when her seed was multiplied and replenished unto her after she partook of the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. She needed a replenishment because she had previously exhausted all her powers of conception in her exaltation before she was placed into the Garden of Eden.

The seed of the woman once replenished was typified as being Christ who shall bruise the serpents head as the serpent shall bruise the heel of Christ. See Genesis and Moses. When you have seen Christ you have seen the Father. Of course since Jesus was a clone of the body of the Father which sits upon the Very Throne of Power.

by the way who would desire to be stuck upon even the Very Throne of Power with no vacation from it? God takes a break. And when his turn to be a Christ rolls around he will be able to forget all he knows for a season. What a relief! He gets to be a kid and have a mom. Great!


I hesitate to reply to "Nightlion" since he is quite obviously a few clowns short of a circus ... but I couldn't help but chuckle at his statement about the male carrying "seeds". Of course, that was a common belief prior to modern science. Men were going around planting their "seed" in the "fertile fields" of the females they bedded.

But man! Now Jesus is a clone? Wow!

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Nightlion, some of the most interesting passages in the New Testament for me are in Luke and Mark. They are interesting because in light of later orthodoxy they are surprising.

And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. Luke 18:19

and again in Mark

'And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone' Mark 10:18

The implications are quite astounding and I think emphasise the humanity of Jesus, so in that sense I do not have a problem with him being married if that is where the evidence leads.
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Mary wrote:Nightlion, some of the most interesting passages in the New Testament for me are in Luke and Mark. They are interesting because in light of later orthodoxy they are surprising.

And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. Luke 18:19

and again in Mark

'And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone' Mark 10:18

The implications are quite astounding and I think emphasise the humanity of Jesus, so in that sense I do not have a problem with him being married if that is where the evidence leads.


Even if he married a bloke?
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Nightlion wrote:...


My Gawd! You're goofier than a football bat.

Is it just me, or does the Mormon church seem to produce an unusually high number schizophrenics?
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mledbetter wrote:
Nightlion wrote:...


My Gawd! You're goofier than a football bat.

Is it just me, or does the Mormon church seem to produce an unusually high number schizophrenics?


Where oh where did you ever get the competence to judge such high and mighty wisdom as what I write?
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Wasn't it Brigham Young who taught that Jesus was a polygamist (married to Mary and Martha)?
I guess I should look that up, but I do remember reading that somewhere.
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