Typical Leftist...

[_MeDotOrg]

If you had actually done the homework you claimed to have done, you would have seen that its made its way to The View (admittedly, a far worse source for news or serious discussion than even the most obscure blog)

http://theview.abc.go.com/forum/college ... vote-obama

You would also have seen that it was reported locally in central Florida media:

http://spacecoastdaily.com/2012/09/inap ... classroom/

http://government.brevardtimes.com/2012 ... e-for.html

Oh, and as for major media missing it:

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/to ... a-ple.html

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/201 ... y-students

As I began this thread, "typical liberal."

The Fox News Report says "The website Watchdogwire.com, which first reported the allegations, said the students were told to sign a pledge that read: “I pledge to vote for President Obama and Democrats up and down the ticket.”"

THIS IS FLAT-OUT FALSE. The Watchdogwire.com story only reports that a man's nephew brought home the bookmark with the pledge on it. The story does not quote anyone as being told or forced to sign a pledge."

The student who reported the incident said that Sweet has frequently voiced her support for Obama in class, and when asked why he didn’t just give the pledge back to her – he plans to vote for Romney in November – he said he hadn’t done well on the test and was afraid not to take the pledge.

Now this IS a different story. This is the first story I saw that actually says that a student was asked to sign the pledge which actually quotes a student as the source.

Droopy, any teacher who asks her students to sign a pledge to vote for someone should be suspended or fired. Intimidation or harassment should not be tolerated. I think we both agree on that.

My point was that your original source article misstated the facts as they were reported in their source article in Watchdogwire.com. The original story did not quote a student as having been told to sign a pledge, only that they had been given a bookmark with a pledge on it. No explanation was given as to how that morphed into "forcing her students to sign a pledge". That's what I objected to. Shoddy journalism is shoddy journalism. Liberal or conservative have nothing to do with it.

...neither you nor any other venue, whether online, in the print or electronic media, or anywhere else, can actually find any substantive examples of such things among conservatives, except in rare, isolated cases in which conservative philosophy and politics don't actually have anything to do with the case.

Miners claim they were forced to attend Romney rally.

Robo-calls telling Democrats to vote on wrong day an bring proof of home ownership.

McDonald's employees told that if Republicans don't win, owner will lower wages and benefits.

I would also argue that the recent spate of Voter I.D. laws passed by G.O.P. legislatures to combat a Virtually non-existent Voter Fraud issue, are the greatest effort at voter disenfranchisement and intimidation since the South's Jim Crow laws.

[_LittleNipper]

Are you suggesting that colleges should only hire republicans?

No, but colleges seem to take issue with Born-again Bible believing Fundamentalist Christians. Nothing wrong with Democrats, Independents, or Republicans. But if one is going to take issue with the right, one needs to do so with the left. And a leftist would be a Socialist or Communist or someone who embraces that logic for the running of government.

[_Tarski]

Are you suggesting that colleges should only hire republicans?

No, but colleges seem to take issue with Born-again Bible believing Fundamentalist Christians. .

reaally? Show me.
I work at a university and they have plenty of Christians of all types.

On the other hand, the reverse is true at places like Liberty College.

I think you have it backwards buddy.

[Guest]

"would"?
"if"?

Yes.

"if"????

Yes.

So this means about as much as the following:

"[i]very, very many conservatives, would, and have (historically) force everyone to be a fundie christian

Modern conservatism has little to do with Protestant fundamentalism save that Protestant fundamentalists tend to conservatism due to key aspects of their religious beliefs. So do conservatives Catholics, non-fundamentalist Evangelical Protestants, Latter day Saints (overwhelmingly), conservative Jews, and numerous non-religious or quasi-religious conservatives. Contemporary conservatism implies and respects serious religious commitments, but hardly requires them, and it has never been associated, as a broader movement, with Protestant fundamentalism, except at a distance. National Review, the core of the early modern conservative intellectual movement, was decidedly traditionalist Catholic.

How stunningly idiotic you are Droopy.

Since I don't respond to these kinds of provocations her anymore, I'll just let you continue.

Which I'm sure you will.

[_Droopy]

Droopy, any teacher who asks her students to sign a pledge to vote for someone should be suspended or fired. Intimidation or harassment should not be tolerated. I think we both agree on that.

My point was that your original source article misstated the facts as they were reported in their source article in Watchdogwire.com. The original story did not quote a student as having been told to sign a pledge, only that they had been given a bookmark with a pledge on it. No explanation was given as to how that morphed into "forcing her students to sign a pledge". That's what I objected to. Shoddy journalism is shoddy journalism. Liberal or conservative have nothing to do with it.

In other words, the teacher was symbolically pumping her fist for Obama in the classroom and using her publicly funded bully pulpit as political soapbox. The story would appear to stand, despite some garbling, which is standard for stories such as this. In any case, you were wrong that major media had not picked it up. Several sources did.

I would also argue that the recent spate of Voter I.D. laws passed by G.O.P. legislatures to combat a are the greatest effort at voter disenfranchisement and intimidation since the South's Jim Crow laws.

Stunning. Utterly stunning. I really shouldn't have to give a grade school level civics lession to an American adult, but times being what they are (and the public schools and higher education being what they are), apparently this is the case.

Voter I.D. laws are intended to preserve and protect the critical democratic means of self-government from fraud and manipulation, and most particularly, under present circumstances, protect the distorting of national and state elections by the votes of people who are not legal residents of this country and who have no business voting at all.

If you have a problem with this, then one can only hope that people such as yourself are a very, very tiny minority. If not, the country, as founded, is essentially at an end.

[_ldsfaqs]

Miners claim they were forced to attend Romney rally.

1. Which is far different from a teacher situation..... Employers have employees do all kinds of things as a part of their job that they would not normally do in their personal life.

Further, even teachers do it..... But good teachers would have them go to both parties.

2. Further, I researched this further and them being "forced" was shown to be completely bogus. Just more typical liberals lying....

Robo-calls telling Democrats to vote on wrong day an bring proof of home ownership.

Certainly bad form, but again, different, doesn't rise to the level of FORCE in a position of responsibility in which "bias" and "objectivity" is to be the first limited, and the later promoted.

Teachers are to help people to THINK, not tell them how to think!

McDonald's employees told that if Republicans don't win, owner will lower wages and benefits.

Sounds like simply a truthful statement according to the realities of liberal policies that directly affect his business. I know several businesses and business owners who are hanging by a thread due to already passed liberal policy's and dreading the ones that are going to start in the next 4 years, as well as others we don't even know for sure what Obama and liberals will do. They will either be going out of business or have to severely restructure and cause many to loose their jobs or at least much of their pay.

I would also argue that the recent spate of Voter I.D. laws passed by G.O.P. legislatures to combat a Virtually non-existent Voter Fraud issue, are the greatest effort at voter disenfranchisement and intimidation since the South's Jim Crow laws.

Poppycock.... There have been TONS of proven voter fraud. What simply hasn't been proven as much of is actual individuals being caught "voting" fraudulently. Which, since anyone can do it, who knows who's doing it, and it's not like there are "recordings" of polling stations and VOTER ID'ing to catch people!!!

Further, another liberal lie, "voter disenfranchisement".....!!!!
All those so-called "disenfranchised" voters are required by the Government to have ID's to get Welfare etc. and to do almost anything else in life, yet they somehow can't have ID's TO VOTE??? FRIGGEN LIARS!!! :(

[_MeDotOrg]

I would also argue that the recent spate of Voter I.D. laws passed by G.O.P. legislatures to combat a Virtually non-existent Voter Fraud issue, are the greatest effort at voter disenfranchisement and intimidation since the South's Jim Crow laws.

Poppycock.... There have been TONS of proven voter fraud. What simply hasn't been proven as much of is actual individuals being caught "voting" fraudulently. Which, since anyone can do it, who knows who's doing it, and it's not like there are "recordings" of polling stations and VOTER ID'ing to catch people!!!

"There have been TONS of proven voter fraud"? If it's proven, please document.

Further, another liberal lie, "voter disenfranchisement".....!!!!
All those so-called "disenfranchised" voters are required by the Government to have ID's to get Welfare etc. and to do almost anything else in life, yet they somehow can't have ID's TO VOTE??? FRIGGEN LIARS!!! :(

When Edward and Mary Weidenbener went to vote in Indiana's primary in May, they didn't realize that state law required them to bring government photo IDs such as a driver's license or passport.

The husband and wife, both approaching 90 years old, had to use a temporary ballot that would be verified later, even though they knew the people working the polling site that day. Unaware that Indiana law obligated them to follow up with the county election board, the Weidenbeners ultimately had their votes rejected — news to them until informed recently by an Associated Press reporter.

Edward Weidenbener, a World War II veteran who had voted for Mitt Romney in the Republican presidential contest, said he was surprised by the rules and the consequences.

"A lot of people don't have a photo ID. They'll be automatically disenfranchised," he said.

[_LittleNipper]

No, but colleges seem to take issue with Born-again Bible believing Fundamentalist Christians. .

reaally? Show me.
I work at a university and they have plenty of Christians of all types.

On the other hand, the reverse is true at places like Liberty College.

I think you have it backwards buddy.

How about a Creationist in the Sicence Department?

[_EAllusion]

Creationists have hard time finding posts in biology departments for the same reason that people who believe cars run via gnome power have a hard time being mechanics. Their beliefs get in the way of competency in their field. Or, if you want a more serious equivalent, you'll have a hard time finding many epidemiologists who deny HIV causes AIDS, but you can find a few more people with that view with other kinds of advanced degrees in other fields. That just goes to competency.

Evangelical Christians can be found throughout the academic world, but in areas where fundamentalist belief runs severely contrary to modern knowledge, they either aren't found or, more often, simply diverge with what's normal in their faith in that domain. I had a genetics professor who went to a very conservative Baptist Church. She probably could be described as a born-again Bible believin' Christian. She wasn't a creationist, though I'm willing to bet almost everyone not related to her there was.