The Constitution's Thread

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_Droopy
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Re: The Constitution's Thread

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You were misusing an archaic term from psychoanalysis...


No, I was using a key term from the early and heady days of the sexual revolution. "Polymorphous perversity" and polymorphous sexual hedonism - sex in many and varied forms without regard to consequences or moral reflection - which were the sine qua non of the sexual revolution, including its Frankfurt School promulgators (and remains so today within postmodern thought).

later coopted by a Marxist that you supposedly don't believe in? Even better. At least polyamorous would've made sense.


No, I don't believe in Marcuse' project of the tearing down and destruction of western civilization to make way for a new Dionysian world of moral relativity and social/economic collectivism. His meaning in the use of the term, however, has since become the default position of the pop culture, and for substantial numbers of citizens - an unsustainable course, I might add.

Yes, I'm not a libertarian because of the libertarian views I advocate.


I've never - ever - seen you advocate clearly libertarian views save in a nebulous, dry, technocratic, policy-wonkish way. If never seen a single sentence of libertarian first principles or philosophy from you, nor have I ever seen very many leftist ideas, policies, and structures you do not vigorously, and not infrequently, angrily support and defend.

You're visceral hatred of conservatism is also a dead giveaway, as modern (mid-1950s to present) conservatism is a hybrid of traditional and libertarian concepts, principles, values, and perspectives. I suspect that what you really are is a Bill Maher "libertarian," essentially a viscerally anti-religious secularist who wants government out of his own personal life, wants no controls or conditioning restraints on personal behavior, but who looks longingly at the welfare state as a moral surrogate to compensate for his own lack of moral imagination and personal ethical integrity.

This is ultimately what Pragmatism (and Utilitarianism) imply and encourage, in an ethical sense, as both these ethical systems provide no ultimate ground for moral, ethical, or social standards save what a specific cohort, group, generation, and era decide is so, based on various arbitrary and plastic criteria (what "works" or what the smart people say is the case).

But keep up the pose, as I really don't care.
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Re: The Constitution's Thread

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Missing the point


Polymorphous perversity is a term. It's a psychoanalytic term that has a root meaning in Freudian developmental theory that is missed when you change it to polymorphous sex. That's why when you google the former term you get tons of hits, but when you google the later, the world thinks you are confused and meant the former. Chalk this up to the endless chain of you trying to come across as erudite and ending up looking like a blowhard.

Libertarianism


My views are highly typical of libertarians. Unlike you, I'm backing and working for the libertarian candidate in the current presidential race and my views and priorities are 95%ish identical to that person. The modern Republican party is pretty far afield libertarian thought at the moment and mainstream libertarian sources such as CATO and Reason are keen to point this out. Maybe if Rand Paul secures the party nomination in the future there'd be some sort of basis in reality to your comments, but as it stands modern Republicans and the conservatives who control the party are extremely far from libertarian thought on almost every major issue from civil rights, to fiscal priorities, to taxation policy, to police powers, to foreign policy, to social issues, etc. You and your candidate take positions that are an anathema to libertarian thought. Since you are incapable of interpreting any disagreement with you as anything other than evil leftism, you hilariously end up thinking of genuine libertarians, rather than the fake pierced eyebrow of the Republican party version, as leftists.

This is ultimately what Pragmatism (and Utilitarianism) imply and encourage

Utilitarian libertarians:

Friedrich Hayek
Milton Friedman
Many others.

Not that you understand utilitarian ethics from your "study" of hastily ready right-wing websites, but search your own posts to discovery your alleged feelings on the those people.
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