by the way the wealth of the richest 400 Americans grew 13 percent this year to 1.7 trillion dollars. That's 1,700,000,000,000 dollars. You really think the rich are losing their wealth?
No I don't think they're losing it nor will they ever. Liberals are rich too mind you. But there aren't that many of rich people. Those that stay rich find ways around the tax laws. The cost of all this unwed motherhood that is encouraged by our welfare system is going to be squarely upon you and me as middle class taxpayers.
So why not vote for people who are in favor of a progressive tax rate on the rich? Would growing the middle class by raising the minimum wage to say 10$/hr be a bad thing? Not to mention an increase in capital gains tax after say 100,000$ in dividends that would hit the rich while small investors could continue to invest and make a small wealth gain at the regular capital gains tax rate of 15%?
Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded.-charity 3/7/07
MASH quotes I peeked in the back [of the Bible] Frank, the Devil did it. I avoid church religiously. This isn't one of my sermons, I expect you to listen.
If anyone has more than anecdotal evidence that there are women out there living in poverty and purposefully having babies to "make money off the government" I'd like to see it.
I remember struggling to be one of the workers hired on by a temp agency, not because the salary would go up but because I could go to the doctor again. My female colleagues weren't concerned because since they had kids, they're medical care (not just their kids care) was free.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
So why not vote for people who are in favor of a progressive tax rate on the rich? Would growing the middle class by raising the minimum wage to say 10$/hr be a bad thing? Not to mention an increase in capital gains tax after say 100,000$ in dividends that would hit the rich while small investors could continue to invest and make a small wealth gain at the regular capital gains tax rate of 15%?
What difference does it make if the rich will still find ways not to pay the taxes. Michelle Obama will still be taking 16 vacations next year while I get less than one week off. Raising the minimum wage will do nothing because employers like hiring illegal people to work for less and neither party will consider securing the border because any deportations can lose you the entire hispanic vote. Who cares what the minimum wage is when wages are being paid under the table? Employers just won't hire people legally at that rate. They'll hire illegally and what will stop it? Most of that money for the ever increasing number of "children" in poverty is going to come from people like you and me, people who failed to look poor enough on paper and play the game you have to play in his screwed up mixed economy. There's not enough from the one percent to cover it, and they're too rich and powerful to make them pay it anyway.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
Min wage increases, if high enough relative to the free market rate for labor, create black market incentives that encourage paying illegal immigrants under the table. They also, if high enough, cause unemployment. But it doesn't swallow up the entire market as you imply, nor is the sub-living wage number you responded to enough to really trip that into a massive problem. I say this as someone opposed to min wage laws.
ajax18 wrote:So why do women choose to have these kids if they can't afford them?
Yeah, what's the appeal of this sex thing that people keep talking about?
I already heard your take on this, I was asking JustMe. .
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
So why not vote for people who are in favor of a progressive tax rate on the rich? Would growing the middle class by raising the minimum wage to say 10$/hr be a bad thing? Not to mention an increase in capital gains tax after say 100,000$ in dividends that would hit the rich while small investors could continue to invest and make a small wealth gain at the regular capital gains tax rate of 15%?
What difference does it make if the rich will still find ways not to pay the taxes. Michelle Obama will still be taking 16 vacations next year while I get less than one week off. Raising the minimum wage will do nothing because employers like hiring illegal people to work for less and neither party will consider securing the border because any deportations can lose you the entire hispanic vote. Who cares what the minimum wage is when wages are being paid under the table? Employers just won't hire people legally at that rate. They'll hire illegally and what will stop it? Most of that money for the ever increasing number of "children" in poverty is going to come from people like you and me, people who failed to look poor enough on paper and play the game you have to play in his screwed up mixed economy. There's not enough from the one percent to cover it, and they're too rich and powerful to make them pay it anyway.
How many illegal aliens do you think are in America? Rough estimate?
Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded.-charity 3/7/07
MASH quotes I peeked in the back [of the Bible] Frank, the Devil did it. I avoid church religiously. This isn't one of my sermons, I expect you to listen.
Min wage increases, if high enough relative to the free market rate for labor, create black market incentives that encourage paying illegal immigrants under the table. They also, if high enough, cause unemployment. But it doesn't swallow up the entire market as you imply, nor is the sub-living wage number you responded to enough to really trip that into a massive problem. I say this as someone opposed to min wage laws.
I wouldn't shed any tears seeing the minimum wage go up. I wish minimum wage could be $20/hr. I can't see how anyone lives on $10/hr either. But that America is gone. We're the United States of Northern Latin America, where if you won't work for cheaper, somebody else will. If you won't work illegally and under the table, somebody else will. What good are writing more laws when we can't enforce the laws we have?
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
The biological imperative to mate is second only to the biological imperative to protect one's young. Coupled with that urge to mate is a tendency to mate recklessly. I don't think that's a coincidence. Raising children has always been hard, from the beginning of human history onward. If human beings were wired to think rationally and with long-term planning, human beings would probably never have survived. Our numbers wouldn't have been high enough to compensate for periods of difficulty. We would have died out. None of this is a coincidence.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.
If anyone has more than anecdotal evidence that there are women out there living in poverty and purposefully having babies to "make money off the government" I'd like to see it.
I remember struggling to be one of the workers hired on by a temp agency, not because the salary would go up but because I could go to the doctor again. My female colleagues weren't concerned because since they had kids, they're medical care (not just their kids care) was free.
This is anecdotal.
~Those who benefit from the status quo always attribute inequities to the choices of the underdog.~Ann Crittenden ~The Goddess is not separate from the world-She is the world and all things in it.~
ajax18 wrote:So why do women choose to have these kids if they can't afford them?
1. Biological imperative 2. Lack of education 3. They were financially able (or thought they were) at the time of pregnancy 4. Religious reasons 5. Contraceptive failure 6. Complicated relationship/emotional reasons 7. Differing expectations and beliefs of what "can't afford them" means
Probably dozens more reasons. Oh, and by the way, last I checked it still took a prick to get pregnant. Why are men choosing to "have these kids if they can't afford them?"
~Those who benefit from the status quo always attribute inequities to the choices of the underdog.~Ann Crittenden ~The Goddess is not separate from the world-She is the world and all things in it.~