Was Jesus Married?

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Re: Was Jesus Married?

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Perfectly. She O'd every time.
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kamenraider wrote:
Mooseman wrote:4. How about telling us how God the Eternal Father was the parent of our spirit bodies (as LDS stupidly suppose) when scripture plainly shows that Adam and Eve were.


How does scripture "plainly" show that Adam and Eve were the parents of our spirit bodies?

I believe they were, I'm just wondering what you have in mind.


I am not at a computer where I can easily grab actual scripture texts, but the overview would be God created man both male and female and commanded them to multiply and in the second chapter they FINISH all the hosts. Then later on all the children of men are created in heaven before they are naturally upon the earth. THEN Adam and Eve are put into the Garden to..........wait for it...............................get Eve's conceptions multiplied and replenished. Why did she need to have her powers of conception replenished if A. She was just made and therefore should have a full pack of potential ovulations. B. She had not already used every last one of them and had finished the spirit body conceptions of all those seeds OUT OF THE WORLD which exalted parents are given to continue who own a world as Adam and Eve were in fact given and upon whom it is therefore incumbent that they continue the seed IN THE WORLD meaning the physical seeds which necessitate a fall into mortality.

Exalted parents DO continue two kinds of seeds. If the Very Eternal Father was our spirit body parent in the pre-existence then it should have been him and not Adam who came into the Garden. Since the Father walked with Adam and Eve in the cool of the day in the Garden of Eden, clearly it was Adam and Eve who were our spirit body parents because the are fulfilling the continuation of the seeds IN THE WORLD. And please note that they must subject themselves to the New Christ in gospel covenant before they can return.
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Re: Was Jesus Married?

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zeezrom wrote:Anyway, the question really needs to be asked:

Since Jesus was perfect, how did he treat his wife?


Plenty of back rubs and never complaining when asked to wash dishes, change diapers (which brings up another question) or take out the trash.
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SteelHead wrote:Perfectly. She O'd every time.

But more than that.

How would it be on the day to day level? Would he be a good listener? What is a perfect listener like? What kind of dates would we go on? Would he cook?
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zeezrom wrote:
SteelHead wrote:Perfectly. She O'd every time.

But more than that.

How would it be on the day to day level? Would he be a good listener? What is a perfect listener like? What kind of dates would we go on? Would he cook?


He would be the best listener, because he can already read your mind. :-)
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From The Conversion of blessed Mary Magdalene

Martha replied:

“So you don’t know your king, whose beautiful face lights up everyone who looks at him? Whose beauty makes all creatures with reason wonder with astonishment? If you’d only see his face, he would give you the greatest happiness!”

Then Mary said:

“Who is this man who is so perfect and beautiful? You don’t mean Emperor Tiberius, do you?”

Mary replied:

“No, it’s not Emperor Tiberius who is a pagan king, but it is the king of kings and the ruler of all who rule, the redeemer of the children of Israel, strong in what he does. He was born of noble parents. His father is God in heaven, who does not have a wife on earth. His mother is a virgin from David’s family. From this birth God has brought forth the person who can heal the world.”

Then Mary desired very much, in a worldly way, to meet the man who was so noble and beautiful, and she said:

“My dear sister, show me where I can find the man who will give such satisfaction. When I have sought him out and found him, I want to embrace him and draw him to my love more than any other man in the world, so that I may profit from his wealth and his luxury.”

Martha replied:

“He is my Lord, Jesus Christ.”

“You mean Jesus, the son of the smith, son of Mary and Joseph? Why do you think he is God’s son and the son of a virgin?”

Mary replied:

“Jospeh was his foster father, not his natural father.”

...

Martha stood there with Mary. When they saw Jesus, both wept with happiness. Martha gave Jesus an honourable welcome. Mary reckoned she was not worthy to meet Jesus because of her sins, and she wanted to turn her face away. But before she could turn her face, Jesus looked at her with his human eyes, but also with the yes of his goodness and mercy.

Jesus’ face was very beautiful and charming. No one could see him without feeling extremely much attracted to him. Because of his gracious look at her, Mary received an outpouring of grace and an abundance of repentance.


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Mary wrote:Nightlion, forgive me if I am wrong, but what you appear to be arguing is that Jesus was not fully human. Isn't that Docetism, which yes does find itself wrapped into the early christian writings, but mostly in condemning it rather than approving of it.

I appreciate that there were steps to eradicate Jesus' humanity (and within Catholicism as I understand it to promote Mary's (the mother) perpetual virginity) but the tantalizing evidence from within the gospel narratives themselves hints at Jesus having an earthly family of brothers and sisters, indeed there is good evidence that Jesus passed over the 'leadership' of the movement to his brother James.

I find the evidence of the Talpiot Tomb quite compelling though I appreciate it is still a controversial area. Here Jesus, son of Joseph, is buried with Mary, and with Mariamne keh Mara, which Tabor interprets as Lordess Mary. (Mariamne being a name given to Mary Magdalene in early christian writings). Interestingly the tomb also holds a son of Jesus (Judah as I recall but don't quote me on that).

I appreciate that the fragment is comparatively late but taken with the Gospel of Philip with the account of Jesus kissing Mary often on the mouth, and the apostles being jealous of her, does indicate if nothing else that there was early controversy as to his marital status and to the position of Mary Magdalene herself (as apostle to the apostles).

It's a fascinating area.


God is Man of Holiness.
We were made in the image and likeness of God.
We are not fully God rather than he is not fully human.

There is an old script that comes to mind that said:
When you see him who was NOT born of a woman fall down and worship for he is God.


I would have to suppose something like No Belly Button, unless that is removed as a scar in the resurrection. Otherwise you would have to see somewhat more intimate for evidence of a not having come by way of the seeds. What I mean is that this being would himself NOT be a seed bearer.

Not familiar with the Talpiot Tomb. Sounds like a hoax to me.

Imagine about ten to twenty thousand haters of God running amok about the ancient world making war against all that is Christ and just. Some writing spurious gospels and what not.
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Quasimodo wrote:
zeezrom wrote:Anyway, the question really needs to be asked:

Since Jesus was perfect, how did he treat his wife?


Plenty of back rubs and never complaining when asked to wash dishes, change diapers (which brings up another question) or take out the trash.

Plenty of *awesome* back rubs. Not just ordinary back rubs, mind you. The kind that make you drool (or hum/sigh/moan) and fall into dreamland.
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Nightlion wrote:Not familiar with the Talpiot Tomb. Sounds like a hoax to me.


I don't think it's a hoax, Night. I'm pretty sure it's a real tomb. The trouble is that the names Yeshua (as in Yeshua bar Yehosef), Yehosef, Maria, Yehuda and Maramene were fairly common in those days. No way of knowing if they are the ones we have heard of.

Still, some interesting coincidences. All those names in one spot. I think the latest I heard is that there is some growing belief among experts that the inscriptions are genuine (though no way to know which Yeshua, etc. they refer to).

You do know that Yeshua is the correct pronunciation of Jesus and Yehosef the correct pronunciation Joseph, right? Yeshua bar Yehosef is Jesus (actually Joshua) son of Joseph in modern English. Intriguing is Yehuda bar Yeshua which means Judah son of Jesus.
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Quasimodo wrote:
Nightlion wrote:Not familiar with the Talpiot Tomb. Sounds like a hoax to me.


I don't think it's a hoax, Night. I'm pretty sure it's a real tomb. The trouble is that the names Yeshua (as in Yeshua bar Yehosef), Yehosef, Maria, Yehuda and Maramene were fairly common in those days. No way of knowing if they are the ones we have heard of.

Still, some interesting coincidences. All those names in one spot. I think the latest I heard is that there is some growing belief among experts that the inscriptions are genuine (though no way to know which Yeshua, etc. they refer to).

You do know that Yeshua is the correct pronunciation of Jesus and Yehosef the correct pronunciation Joseph, right? Yeshua bar Yehosef is Jesus (actually Joshua) son of Joseph in modern English. Intriguing is Yehuda bar Yeshua which means Judah son of Jesus.

Is there any biblical name, pronounced correctly by English speakers?
Or at least transliterated correctly?

Yeshua. Written as Jesus. Pronounced as Geeses...

All "J" in biblical names should be written and pronounced as "Y". As the appropriate hebrew letter is yod - not jod.
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