I'm having a hard time believing a whole room full of LDS men would agree to put her through this.
It would have been five men, as it was a bishop's council. And believe it - I've seen it happen. Once a council is called, the decision is pretty much foregone.
H.
"Others cannot endure their own littleness unless they can translate it into meaningfulness on the largest possible level." ~ Ernest Becker "Whether you think of it as heavenly or as earthly, if you love life immortality is no consolation for death." ~ Simone de Beauvoir
bcspace wrote:She said very little about the specifics of her conflict with the Church in that post. Could be a good indication she knows she's wrong.
Funny. I thought very little specifics was the Church's current asschat excuse for the pre-1978 ban on blacks from the priesthood. I guess, per bcspace's forensic approach, it's a good indication that the Church know it's all about asschat and being wrong. Good insight, bcspace.
I wrote a heartfelt and respectful letter to President Monson regarding my concerns, I never got a reply.
Damn
Too many cookies yet to eat, Pepsis to be drank and widows to be visited to even have a secretary send out a form letter response to a member's sincere letter.
LDSToronto wrote:It would have been five men, as it was a bishop's council. And believe it - I've seen it happen. Once a council is called, the decision is pretty much foregone.
H.
What if one out of the five disagrees with the verdict? Does it require majority vote or unanimous?
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)
LDSToronto wrote:It would have been five men, as it was a bishop's council. And believe it - I've seen it happen. Once a council is called, the decision is pretty much foregone.
H.
What if one out of the five disagrees with the verdict? Does it require majority vote or unanimous?
There is no disagreement that matters because only the presiding officer has the decision-making powers in a disciplinary council.
"Others cannot endure their own littleness unless they can translate it into meaningfulness on the largest possible level." ~ Ernest Becker "Whether you think of it as heavenly or as earthly, if you love life immortality is no consolation for death." ~ Simone de Beauvoir
LDSToronto wrote:It would have been five men, as it was a bishop's council. And believe it - I've seen it happen. Once a council is called, the decision is pretty much foregone.
H.
What if one out of the five disagrees with the verdict? Does it require majority vote or unanimous?
LDSToronto wrote:There is no disagreement that matters because only the presiding officer has the decision-making powers in a disciplinary council.
The other four are there just as vessels to leak details through the ward/stake rumor-mill.
This lady has written very interesting blog posts. I don't view her "offences" as being worthy of excommunication or being disfellowshiped, at least from what she says on her blog, and without hearing what the other party has to say. If what she says is accurate, it's an over-reaction on the part of the bishop, and a big over-reaction.
LDSToronto wrote:There is no disagreement that matters because only the presiding officer has the decision-making powers in a disciplinary council.
Very autocratic... which makes me wonder...
Does democracy play a role anywhere in the hierarchy of the church? If not, why were the U.S. founding fathers inspired?
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)
I'm even, at this stage, prepared to say that I personally feel her posts are inspired.
It seems to me, that once in a rare while we encounter human beings who remind us what "the message and teachings of Christ" are all about.
I could not agree more, Ray. I found her halting account of experiences I don't really have the right words for (revelation? vision? inspiration?) extremely interesting and moving.
I am very interested in the kind of thing she describes and not from a knee-jerk debunking position either. She had some kind of experience that really helped her and allowed her to make an emotional breakthrough. Isn't that what religion should provide people the opportunity for?
From the Ernest L. Wilkinson Diaries: "ELW dreams he's spattered w/ grease. Hundreds steal his greasy pants."