CNN poll: Romney 53% Obama 45%

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Re: CNN poll: Romney 53% Obama 45%

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lol! like i said: eyes closed, hands over ears, repeating to self sub-audibly


You obviously didn't read the OP.

"Rasmussen - Rasmussen - Rasmussen".


As a matter of fact, Rasmussen has Romney up 48% to 45%.

meanwhile, in reality:


You mean what your political officer is telling you?

Even lefty rag Slate admitted Rasmussen was the most accurate ("nailed it") in 2004. In 2008 Rasmussen and Pew Research were the most accurate. I'd be willing to bet they'll be there again this election. Track record is the reason why even Democrats (privately) rely on Rasmussen.
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Re: CNN poll: Romney 53% Obama 45%

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Gallup now has Obama at 49%, and it now has Romney at 44%.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150743/Obama-Romney.aspx


Obama will get 47%, 48%, or 49% of the popular vote.
Romney will get 45%, 46%, or 47% of the popular vote.
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Re: CNN poll: Romney 53% Obama 45%

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bcspace wrote:Even lefty rag Slate admitted Rasmussen was the most accurate ("nailed it") in 2004. In 2008 Rasmussen and Pew Research were the most accurate. I'd be willing to bet they'll be there again this election. Track record is the reason why even Democrats (privately) rely on Rasmussen.


BS.

Rasmussen is a joke and everyone knows it. they correct their skewed samples when the election get near so they can maintain some facade of credibility, but whenever you look at their numbers a month or more before a race they have a 5 to 7 point house effect towards the republican side. they've basically pionnered a new kind of push polling -- flood the airwaves with bogus republican-friendly poll numbers in an attempt to shape the narrative and create a self fulfilling prophecy.

it won't help you on election day.
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Re: CNN poll: Romney 53% Obama 45%

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Rasmussen's numbers tend to get very accurate right before elections take place, but have a systematic Republican lean (about +2-7) in leading polls. The reason their numbers skew toward Romney while every other major polling firm has a modest, but solid Obama lead is that their likely voter model samples Republicans at a noticeably higher rate than other models.

This looks like shenanigans, as pale robber accuses, because it is run by a conservative partisan (and the polling commentaries are conservative op-eds). It's no stretch to imagine that the firm is intentionally skewing polls to affect public perception and create a self-fulfilling prophecy. But I've never seen anyone put on a solid case that we know this is happening.
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Re: CNN poll: Romney 53% Obama 45%

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Republicans are getting depressed under an avalanche of polling suggesting that an Obama victory is in the offing. They, in fact, suggest no such thing! Here’s why:

1. All of the polling out there uses some variant of the 2008 election turnout as its model for weighting respondents and this overstates the Democratic vote by a huge margin.

In English, this means that when you do a poll you ask people if they are likely to vote. But any telephone survey always has too few blacks, Latinos, and young people and too many elderly in its sample. That’s because some don’t have landlines or are rarely at home or don’t speak English well enough to be interviewed or don’t have time to talk. Elderly are overstated because they tend to be home and to have time. So you need to increase the weight given to interviews with young people, blacks and Latinos and count those with seniors a bit less.

Normally, this task is not difficult. Over the years, the black, Latino, young, and elderly proportion of the electorate has been fairly constant from election to election, except for a gradual increase in the Hispanic vote. You just need to look back at the last election to weight your polling numbers for this one.

But 2008 was no ordinary election. Blacks, for example, usually cast only 11% of the vote, but, in 2008, they made up 14% of the vote. Latinos increased their share of the vote by 1.5% and college kids almost doubled their vote share. Almost all pollsters are using the 2008 turnout models in weighting their samples. Rasmussen, more accurately, uses a mixture of 2008 and 2004 turnouts in determining his sample. That’s why his data usually is better for Romney.

But polling indicates a widespread lack of enthusiasm among Obama’s core demographic support due to high unemployment, disappointment with his policies and performance, and the lack of novelty in voting for a black candidate now that he has already served as president.

If you adjust virtually any of the published polls to reflect the 2004 vote, not the 2008 vote, they show the race either tied or Romney ahead, a view much closer to reality
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2. Almost all of the published polls show Obama getting less than 50% of the vote and less than 50% job approval. A majority of the voters either support Romney or are undecided in almost every poll.

But the fact is that the undecided vote always goes against the incumbent. In 1980 (the last time an incumbent Democrat was beaten), for example, the Gallup Poll of October 27th had Carter ahead by 45-39. Their survey on November 2nd showed Reagan catching up and leading by three points. In the actual voting, the Republican won by nine. The undecided vote broke sharply — and unanimously — for the challenger.

An undecided voter has really decided not to back the incumbent. He just won’t focus on the race until later in the game.

So, when the published poll shows Obama ahead by, say, 48-45, he’s really probably losing by 52-48!

Add these two factors together and the polls that are out there are all misleading. Any professional pollster (those consultants hired by candidates not by media outlets) would publish two findings for each poll — one using 2004 turnout modeling and the other using 2008 modeling. This would indicate just how dependent on an unusually high turnout of his base the Obama camp really is.

http://www.dickmorris.com/why-the-polls-under-state-romney-vote/
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Re: CNN poll: Romney 53% Obama 45%

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Brackite wrote:Gallup now has Obama at 49%, and it now has Romney at 44%.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150743/Obama-Romney.aspx


Obama will get 47%, 48%, or 49% of the popular vote.
Romney will get 45%, 46%, or 47% of the popular vote.


In that paradigm Obama wins every time right?
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Re: CNN poll: Romney 53% Obama 45%

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Bond James Bond wrote:
Brackite wrote:Gallup now has Obama at 49%, and it now has Romney at 44%.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150743/Obama-Romney.aspx


Obama will get 47%, 48%, or 49% of the popular vote.
Romney will get 45%, 46%, or 47% of the popular vote.


In that paradigm Obama wins every time right?

If Obama wins The Republic of the United States of America will become for the most part The Democratic Socialist Nation of America. There will become the government officals, educators and the poor---valued in that order of course.
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Re: CNN poll: Romney 53% Obama 45%

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Great, now BC is quoting Dick Morris, the prostitute-toe-sucker who has never been right about anything. You know, the loser who was certain it would be Condi over Hillary in 2008? It's amazing he still has a job.

His reasoning this cycle has usually been that undecided voters will all break for the challenger, so you just add all the undecideds in for Romney, and that's how he gets a landslide win.


ETA: just read his post, and that's exactly what the Dick said... a poll result of 48-45 is actually 52-48. Brilliant!
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Re: CNN poll: Romney 53% Obama 45%

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LittleNipper wrote:If Obama wins The Republic of the United States of America will become for the most part The Democratic Socialist Nation of America. There will become the government officals, educators and the poor---valued in that order of course.
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Re: CNN poll: Romney 53% Obama 45%

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LittleNipper wrote:If Obama wins The Republic of the United States of America will become for the most part The Democratic Socialist Nation of America. There will become the government officals, educators and the poor---valued in that order of course.


That's what you nutjobs said four years ago. And Obama turned out to be far less Socialist than Bush and Reagan.
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