How did your political views change when you left Mormonism

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Re: How did your political views change when you left Mormon

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Fence Sitter wrote:
Being a Cougar fan is an acquired taste, being a Ute fan means having none. :lol:

*Waiting for Blixa's wrath to descend upon me*


No need to wait for Blixa's wrath, you can have mine. I am a Ute alum as an undergrad. Nothing was as sweet as a victory over Moroni Tech. Fortunately, that happened often. :biggrin:
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Fence Sitter wrote:Being a Cougar fan is an acquired taste, being a Ute fan means having none. :lol:

*Waiting for Blixa's wrath to descend upon me*

You, sir, are a cad.
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SteelHead wrote:The current usage of liberal and conservative, left wing right wing are a bad dichotomy, and a missuse of the classic definitions of the terms.


Agreed. And it's too bad really. Considering what people usually mean when they say "liberal" and "conservative," we'd have a much better conversation if the terms hadn't been co-opted and so badly confused.
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My views didn't change much after leaving the church. (I'm a libertarian).

Two areas where my opinion has changed some:

My opinion on abortion has softened a bit. I still don't like abortion, consider late-term abortion wrong, but think it's settled law and don't think we should spend too much time focused on it as a nation while we are $16 trillion in debt with much bigger problems.

I no longer think homosexuality is a sin (I don't believe in the notion of "sin" anymore). However, even as a TBM, I've always thought that people should be free to do what they want as long as it doesn't impact me in any way. Today, I think the government should be completely out of marriage. Individual citizens, gay or straight, should have the same rights whether or not they are married. No married person should get any special benefits because they are married. If the government has a role in marriage, it should only be on enforcement of "contracts" that people enter into when they marry, just like any other contract. For example, how to enforce child support payments or division of assets upon separation, enforcement of wills & trusts, etc. That shouldn't depend on whether you are gay or straight.
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sock puppet wrote:I know of a couple so disheartened in the last two years, they have each sold all of their assets and expatriated to another country--both instances their money going ahead of them. They have found more confidence in other countries than they yet have in the 'full faith and credit' of the U.S.


My wife and I have discussed doing this, for the same reasons.

Just curious, where did they go?
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selek wrote:I still don't like abortion

Nobody likes abortion.
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selek wrote:
sock puppet wrote:I know of a couple so disheartened in the last two years, they have each sold all of their assets and expatriated to another country--both instances their money going ahead of them. They have found more confidence in other countries than they yet have in the 'full faith and credit' of the U.S.


My wife and I have discussed doing this, for the same reasons.

Just curious, where did they go?

One is in Paraguay and the other, the east slope of Argentina--both at spots remote enough that what governments there are basically leave them alone.
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selek wrote:My views didn't change much after leaving the church. (I'm a libertarian).

Two areas where my opinion has changed some:

My opinion on abortion has softened a bit. I still don't like abortion, consider late-term abortion wrong, but think it's settled law and don't think we should spend too much time focused on it as a nation while we are $16 trillion in debt with much bigger problems.

I no longer think homosexuality is a sin (I don't believe in the notion of "sin" anymore). However, even as a TBM, I've always thought that people should be free to do what they want as long as it doesn't impact me in any way. Today, I think the government should be completely out of marriage. Individual citizens, gay or straight, should have the same rights whether or not they are married. No married person should get any special benefits because they are married. If the government has a role in marriage, it should only be on enforcement of "contracts" that people enter into when they marry, just like any other contract. For example, how to enforce child support payments or division of assets upon separation, enforcement of wills & trusts, etc. That shouldn't depend on whether you are gay or straight.


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lulu wrote:
selek wrote:I still don't like abortion

Nobody likes abortion.

That is precisely the reason it is an issue that won't go away. Unwanted pregnancies can be curbed in number through birth control methods--and no, LDS, abstinence is not a solution--but unwanted pregnancies will never be entirely prevented. So, how should they be dealt with? There is no easy solution. While I think there are some merits to the approach taken in Roe v Wade, I think a big part of it was that during the first trimester there is no visible baby bump, regardless of the fetus being not viable outside the womb at that stage.
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