Twede Calls out Scott Gordon

[_zeezrom]

It is funny how every flame war on Mormon forums degenerate into the topic of polygamy.

PS - I'm sad to hear all this talk about Scott G.

[_DrW]

ldsfaqs,

It's great when you come on a thread like this. As a true believer with a great capacity for promoting the Kool Aid, you always seem to provide great examples of delusional Mormon- think and twisted pseudo logic.

You provide outstanding and characteristically bizarre content for any outsiders who might be reading this board to find out more about how Mormonism really works and how true believing Mormons think and act (especially when doing so anonymously).

Nobody does it better.

[Guest]

First lie.... Joseph Smith and others practiced "Polygamy" in Illinois. He and others did not. They practiced the "Sealing Ordinance". When Joseph said he/they weren't practicing Polygamy, they weren't. Actual polygamy didn't start until Utah.

Second lie.... Polygamy was not illegal. This may have been a "belief" by some, etc., but it was not really a position of the Church. Thus, the anti creates a straw-man to then tear down.

You mean here your lies right?

[_just me]

Polygamy was illegal.
http://mormonthink.com/joseph-smith-pol ... tm#illegal

First lie.... Joseph Smith and others practiced "Polygamy" in Illinois. He and others did not. They practiced the "Sealing Ordinance". When Joseph said he/they weren't practicing Polygamy, they weren't. Actual polygamy didn't start until Utah.

So, the men who fathered children with their polygamous wives in Nauvoo were actually just adulterers?

Second lie.... Polygamy was not illegal. This may have been a "belief" by some, etc., but it was not really a position of the Church. Thus, the anti creates a straw-man to then tear down.

LOL!!!! Bigamy, adultery and unlawful-cohabitation were all illegal. LMAO! It's not a "belief" it is a fact. HAHAHA!

By the way..... To be clear, I've never said every "fact" anti-mormons use to degrade the Church is false, I've only said that their conclusions are for nearly every claim are, and that they use truth/fact to lie, by omitting important facts, truth, and logic.

In other words, the idea that "Polygamy was Illegal" is simply a non-issue. It's a well known fact.

Oh, wait. So polygamy was illegal, but it doesn't matter. LOL!

We know there was a Priesthood ban.
We know Joseph was sealed to 3 women under 18.
We know there were some wrong statements in history by LDS leaders, false assumptions, etc.

So what? It's the rest you ignore, omit, etc. that makes you liars.
I "share" digital media.... It's illegal, but I don't at all believe it's morally wrong. A Library is not morally wrong, sharing with your friends is not morally wrong. Thus, sharing in the new digital age also can't be wrong. No loss, no crime. People who receive sharing wouldn't even close be "buying" nearly all of what they receive. Same for Library's.

We believe in honoring and sustaining the law..... But there is also a time and place.
Laws are not "Eternal Law". The Articles of Faith are only a GENERAL summary of our beliefs.
They don't address every nuance, every factor, etc.

Anti's try to make strawmen such as this to then tear down. That's lying.

Ok, so what you are saying is that breaking the law is fine with your god.

[_Polygamy-Porter]

EXcellent points Just Me.

So then, since polygamy was illegal, AND their Mormon sealings/eternal-marriages were not legally recognized, by definition, the children born from these illicit adulterous relationships were defined as BASTARDS?

[_Fence Sitter]

Twede should hire ldsfaqs as his defense attorney.

[_moksha]

This is the first (and probably last) time I've ever seen written (or said): "...LDS Church got their panties in a bunch". lol

He needs to take lessons from John Delhin on using words a little more carefully if he wants to stay a member.

Absolutely right. Sacred undergarments in a bunch would have been the proper phrase.

[_Polygamy-Porter]

This is the first (and probably last) time I've ever seen written (or said): "...LDS Church got their panties in a bunch". lol

He needs to take lessons from John Delhin on using words a little more carefully if he wants to stay a member.

Absolutely right. Sacred undergarments in a bunch would have been the proper phrase.

The design is divine.

It is nearly impossible to get your garmies, a.k.a. Jesus jammies, in a bunch let alone a wedgie.

[_ldsfaqs]

So, the men who fathered children with their polygamous wives in Nauvoo were actually just adulterers?

There WAS a "transition" period in Nauvoo when there were polygamous marriages occurring slightly before leaving Nauvoo.

So yes, there was Polygamy in Nauvoo, just not officially until Utah.

My main point was simply that when Joseph said what he said, the Church and he wasn't practicing it.

Second lie.... Polygamy was not illegal. This may have been a "belief" by some, etc., but it was not really a position of the Church. Thus, the anti creates a straw-man to then tear down.

LOL!!!! Bigamy, adultery and unlawful-cohabitation were all illegal. LMAO! It's not a "belief" it is a fact. HAHAHA!

You need to pay attention to what I actually wrote. The anti's claim Mormons believe and taught that Polygamy was "not illegal". It was.

I was stating that there was a "belief" by some in the Church that it was not illegal, but it was.
In other words, the anti's created a strawman of "Mormons believing the practice was "legal", so we must now ATTACK that belief.

Oh, wait. So polygamy was illegal, but it doesn't matter. LOL!

Pay attention and you wouldn't be confused.

Ok, so what you are saying is that breaking the law is fine with your god.

It's not "my God"..... If a law is unjust, immoral, unfair, then in certain cases absolutely.

The "spirit" of the law especially in relation to Eternal Law is what we are to first follow, and then the letter of the law according to it's conformity to the spirit of the law.

I'm a free thinker..... I don't follow rules/laws simply because they exist. I follow what is right period, end of story. So you're darn right it's okay to break the law as is necessary.

If the law told me to murder I'm not going to do it..... Are you? Thus why are you condemning me? Why are you misrepresenting thus likewise Mormonism, as if we are zombies and are ONLY TO FOLLOW THE ARTICLE OF FAITH, even though it's NOT EVEN actual revelation???

A summary of our beliefs written as a letter to a paper or whatever and simply included in our scriptures is not "doctrine", nor is it "infallible" and addresses all nuances.

Anti-mormon "one track minds" is why you people have problems in falsely judging Mormonism and it's members. You don't know how to think in multi-faceted ways to see and understand other important details.

[_3sheets2thewind]

Ldsfaqs, you need to read a thread on mddb started by bcspace, in said thread bcspace arsenal was handed.to him after he rebelion was ok.


Secondly one or two of josephs wives claimed the marriage was sexual.