Tobin wrote:And you'll find Themis is just bitter about not being called of God like others have been (and the reason is because of who and what he is - and God knows it). For example, the apostle Paul is beyond his comprehension. He can't fathom God just showing up and calling people to repentance like that. And they are called because they will not betray the Lord as others on this forum would because of who and what they are.
LOL You really have become very judgmental of everyone who disagrees with you. by the way I think Mktavish is a theist who doesn't like organized religion. That sounds like something you have promoted as well. Maybe he and others really are right about you.
by the way Who and what are we, and how is it that you were supposedly any better when you were, in your own words, and evil atheist. I doubt you will answer, and by the way I am not an atheist.
That is between you and God to figure out Themis, if you can be ever bothered to actually seek him instead of persecuting the saints and attacking the works of God. And I'm not judging you Themis. Just explaining the situation to you since you seem oblivious about it.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Your assertion that atheists do not know love is absurd. The onus is yours to show that there is anything more to love than the mind and normal electro chemical reactions common to humanity.
i thought he was asking for the atheist's definition of love, not necessarily proposing his own. and to that end, it would seem that you are proposing that Love is "the mind and normal electro chemical reactions common to humanity"...at which case you have made the claim and thus must support that claim by proving that definition of Love. I fear it may be just speculation on your part, for most atheists, being amoral out of necessity, are better served by avoiding such topics as love...because once they open the door to allowing for any sort of "supernatural" they can not exclude the possibility of God. They seem to hold fast to the "by evidence only" mantra....and where is the proof for love?
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
So atheists, the only reason you don't know God is because you don't know love. Is love in the mind? If so, how can it be categorized, compartmentalized, and explained rationally? I am open for debate on this one. I'd like to know your honest opinions.
Tobin wrote: That is between you and God to figure out Themis, if you can be ever bothered to actually seek him instead of persecuting the saints and attacking the works of God. And I'm not judging you Themis. Just explaining the situation to you since you seem oblivious about it.
I am quite conformable that I have spent many years seeking God, but then I am not sure what you think the criteria is in order to qualify. I am not sure you have any idea either since you admit you have not sought God as well.
I don't persecute any members, and as to works of God, I just disagree what they are, or are not. That you say I am is judging me incorrectly.
So atheists, the only reason you don't know God is because you don't know love. Is love in the mind? If so, how can it be categorized, compartmentalized, and explained rationally? I am open for debate on this one. I'd like to know your honest opinions.
The physiological aspects of love can to some degree be measured, demonstrated, and quantified. You supernatural god of love can not.
The onus is now on you to demonstrate any supernatural aspect to love.
ugh, one of those...... you realize that a runny nose is not the flu, correct?
they are not "aspects" but merely symptoms...reactions...not the source. So, while one may easily "measure" how my pulse changes by my proximity to one i love, that is not what the OP is asking for. While you have provided your understanding of the many symptoms you surely know nothing for the cause....for what love actually is... again, your claim remains unsupported.
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
Tobin wrote: That is between you and God to figure out Themis, if you can be ever bothered to actually seek him instead of persecuting the saints and attacking the works of God. And I'm not judging you Themis. Just explaining the situation to you since you seem oblivious about it.
I am quite conformable that I have spent many years seeking God, but then I am not sure what you think the criteria is in order to qualify. I am not sure you have any idea either since you admit you have not sought God as well.
I don't persecute any members, and as to works of God, I just disagree what they are, or are not. That you say I am is judging me incorrectly.
I think you are confused and in denial. You are actively working against God and his gospel when you disparage him and his prophets and his gospel. If you really believe in God, then why don't you go do what you believe God wants you to do instead of casting doubts upon the beliefs of others. I have yet for you to propose or point to a better way or clearer understanding of God. And Why don't you do as I do and ask them to seek that God and speak with him and do as he asks? I think the answer should be obvious - but as I said, you are seriously in denial.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Tobin wrote:You are actively working against God and his gospel when you disparage him and his prophets and his gospel.
I don't disparage any claimed deity, or any who claim to represent him and her message. I do question whether some claims are true or not.
If you really believe in God, then why don't you go do what you believe God wants you to do instead of casting doubts upon the beliefs of others.
I don't think the christian God exists from analyzing the spiritual and physical evidences available. Especially for LDS claims. I also don't view doubt as bad, but a very good trait in trying to learn how things really are. I see nothing wrong with questioning any beliefs religious or not. Anyone who really seeks truth does not either. If they don't want to hear it they don't have to come here. I don't seek anyone out to question their beliefs on anything they don't want to. This seems one of the harder things for some like yourself to understand.
Why don't you do as I do and ask them to seek that God and speak with him and do as he asks? I think the answer should be obvious - but as I said, you are seriously in denial.
Why would I ask anyone at this time as one who is agnostic. They can if they like, but my experience is that they may be confusing certain things as being from some deity. They certainly have a hard time getting along with each other. That's a big reason why we have so many religions out there.