Chap wrote:Here is (surprise!) the previous editor's letter notifying his resignation from the CoJCoLDS:
Stake President,
I’ve been fortunate to help work on a site that is open-minded enough to accept credible arguments supporting all sides of Mormon issues.
But the point is: faithful members do not see it as open minded. Now what does this mean? Maybe the site has to do a mormonrethink just how they present the information. However, they would never consider this because the site is meant not to be faith promoting. Just my opinion.
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why me wrote:The bottom line for the site is: Look! The church is hiding this. The church may not be true because of this 'hidden' information. Think about it.
Thus, the problem.
Are either of those two statements out of sync with the facts?
Is the FAIR approach of 'The Church isn't hiding anything' or 'The person that wrote that is an Apostate so don't look at what he wrote' or the official Church approach of 'Don't mention it and the members won't notice' or 'Don't worry about it because it's not important' more or less honest?
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why me wrote: Reading the letter I can see the problem that the site has: they refuse to see that the way they portray the information is not faith promoting.
So, nothing wrong with that, it's certainly no reason to toss someone from the church.
why me wrote:They can certainly make a very faith promoting way of explaining these issues on their site. But they choose to go the other way.
So, nothing wrong with that, it's certainly no reason to toss someone from the church.
However, they would never consider this because the site is meant not to be faith promoting.
So, nothing wrong with that, it's certainly no reason to toss someone from the church.
Paul preached that the church should be of one mind. And to beware of divisions. Sites like MormonThink exist to sow division among the Mormons and to cast doubt. Here is what Paul said in first corinthians first chapter:
10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
Can we say that mormonthink is designed to cause divisions? And that the members who run that site wish to do so too?
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
café crema wrote:So, nothing wrong with that, it's certainly no reason to toss someone from the church.
What about this? [b]Sexual Immorality Defiles the Church
5 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father’s wife. And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.
For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing. When you are assembled bin the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, you are cto deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.
6 our boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 7 Cleanse out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Let us therefore celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church2 whom you are to judge? 13 God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”
1 Corinthians 5:1–13
Mighty tough. What does the catholic church do with adultery and fornication?
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
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FIFY
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why me wrote:Reading the letter I can see the problem that the site has: they refuse to see that the way they portray the information is not faith promoting...
OK so how do talk about Joseph Smith sending men on missions so he can shag their wives as faith promoting?
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café crema wrote:So, nothing wrong with that, it's certainly no reason to toss someone from the church.
What about this? [b]Sexual Immorality Defiles the Church
5 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father’s wife. And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.
For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing. When you are assembled bin the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, you are cto deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.
6 our boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 7 Cleanse out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Let us therefore celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church2 whom you are to judge? 13 God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”
1 Corinthians 5:1–13
Mighty tough. What does the catholic church do with adultery and fornication?
What do adultery and fornication have to do with a site not promoting the LDS faith?