Things Changed When Shirt Color Began to Matter

[_Bob Loblaw]

As does my ass.... Oh and welcome to a web sight that still allows freedom of expression irrespective of belief standards...Unlike your echo-chamber over at M D & D...from which I was banned for merely expressing my opinion

I think Droopy is banned there too. You can see how grateful he is to have a place to express himself freely.

[_sethpayne]

Ahhh.. I remember it well...

http://www.LDS.org/ensign/1995/11/this- ... ance-of-me

and here's another link showing all of the references to the importance of wearing a white shirt:
http://www.LDS.org/search?query=white+s ... conference

Has Holland always been an asshole?

Hi Sock,

I think you may be being unduly hard on Elder Holland. Most Churches have some sort of special or significant clothing when important ordinances are performed.

That the Church's preference would be that white be worn during the preparation of the sacrament is understandable due to the symbolism of the ordinance etc...

Also, he does make it clear that members should not be pharisaical about it. I think the problem is not with what Holland suggests but rather in how it is interpreted by some zealous local leaders.

Those local leaders read this:

May I suggest that wherever possible a white shirt be worn by the deacons, teachers, and priests who handle the sacrament. For sacred ordinances in the Church we often use ceremonial clothing, and a white shirt could be seen as a gentle reminder of the white clothing you wore in the baptismal font and an anticipation of the white shirt you will soon wear into the temple and onto your missions.

But seem to skip the next paragraph:

That simple suggestion is not intended to be pharisaic or formalistic. We do not want deacons or priests in uniforms or unduly concerned about anything but the purity of their lives. But how our young people dress can teach a holy principle to us all, and it certainly can convey sanctity. As President David O. McKay taught, a white shirt contributes to the sacredness of the holy sacrament (see Conference Report, Oct. 1956, p. 89).

Just my $.02

Seth

[_Craig Paxton]

As does my ass.... Oh and welcome to a web sight that still allows freedom of expression irrespective of belief standards...Unlike your echo-chamber over at M D & D...from which I was banned for merely expressing my opinion

I think Droopy is banned there too. You can see how grateful he is to have a place to express himself freely.

Well I would actually enjoy a constructive comment from him...but he banters in idiocy without content...its like a fart in the wind...he stinks for a while and then blows away...

[_Bob Loblaw]

Well I would actually enjoy a constructive comment from him...but he banters in idiocy without content...its like a fart in the wind...he stinks for a while and then blows away...

Au contraire, mon frere. He is, by his own admission, the only intellectually serious poster here.

[Guest]

My comment stands.

As does my ass....

No comment, as mine's still between my torso and my legs where it belongs.

Oh and welcome to a web sight that still allows freedom of expression irrespective of belief standards...Unlike your echo-chamber over at M D & D...from which I was banned for merely expressing my opinion

I was banned for the same reason, but I suspect not for the same positions or perspective. And the MDD board is not an echo chamber and never was, even before the neo-orthodox bias began to seek dominance there. There is a very strong liberal/NOM presence there, including among the mods, which is what has brought myself and a number of other TBMs/conservatives into conflict with the powers that be.

There's a great deal of debate, and off-the-wall theology masquerading as "Mormonism" there, but true, if you attack the Church or its leaders in a disrespectful or hostile manner, or flame too obviously, you will be axed, and I have to say I've always supported that measure. If not, one needs only come here to see what it would have immediately descended into (or CARM, or RFM, or any number of other boards).

[_Bob Loblaw]

I was banned for the same reason, but I suspect not for the same positions or perspective. And the MDD board is not an echo chamber and never was, even before the neo-orthodox bias began to seek dominance there. There is a very strong liberal/NOM presence there, including among the mods, which is what has brought myself and a number of other TBMs/conservatives into conflict with the powers that be.

There's a great deal of debate, and off-the-wall theology masquerading as "Mormonism" there, but true, if you attack the Church or its leaders in a disrespectful or hostile manner, or flame to obviously, you will be axed, and I have to say I've always supported that measure. If not, one needs only come here to see what it would have immediately descended into (or CARM, or RFM, or any number of other boards).

I suspect you were banned for the same reason I give you a hard time. It's not because of your political or religious conservatism.

[_Droopy]

I suspect you were banned for the same reason I give you a hard time. It's not because of your political or religious conservatism.

Yes, it was, and for taking official, settled doctrinal views on specific subjects that conflict with that which is politically correct, and that which is politically correct has, unfortunately, found a home at the MDD board, just as it has now destroyed the NAMI.

[_Bob Loblaw]

Yes, it was, and for taking official, settled doctrinal views on specific subjects that conflict with that which is politically correct, and that which is politically correct has, unfortunately, found a home at the MDD board, just as it has now destroyed the NAMI.

Come now, you know that's not true.

[_Droopy]

Yes, it was, and for taking official, settled doctrinal views on specific subjects that conflict with that which is politically correct, and that which is politically correct has, unfortunately, found a home at the MDD board, just as it has now destroyed the NAMI.

Come now, you know that's not true.

I've changed my mind. You may indeed, be Scratch. This was much more like it.

[_son of Ishmael]

When I first got home from my mission in the early 80's the first things RMs did were to buy non-white shirts for church and start growing a moustache. I really don’t remember when or how it all happened but all of a sudden that became a big NO GO.

On the other hand, there was a time when girls were given grief for having ears pierced at all. They were taught that young women should only wear clip on earrings.