MT Twede's court cancelled

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Bob Loblaw wrote:
Sethbag wrote:I know I used to regard excommunication as this huge, portentous threat all jam-packed with significance.

I would now regard getting excommunicated from the LDS Church as being about as important to my life as being ejected from the Mickey Mouse Club. Or having a corner clipped off of my Totin' Chip Card.

I do acknowledge that Brother Twede may not see it that way. If so, then he'll have to make his decisions accordingly.


It's funny that they think that threatening to ex us will frighten us into toeing the line. If they exed me, I'd buy everyone here a round of beers.


If you are excommunicated you cannot take the sacrament, you cannot hold a calling, you cannot go home teaching, you cannot give talks or prayers in meetings, you cannot perform Priesthood ordinances, you cannot attend the temple, you cannot pay tithing...and it's classed as punishment?
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Mary wrote:
That said, it seems that you acknowledge that the true facts on MormonThink are doing damage to LDS testimonies. If the act of presenting those facts to Mormons is not therefor an act of apostasy, I don't know what is.


Using this logic then Richard Bushman, Armand Mauss, John Dehlin, Joanna Brooks, Daniel Peterson, Ben Park, Jared Anderson and many, many more should all be 'had up' for apostasy since they have all discussed online and in print, controversial issues.

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Dear Mary, As I have stated countless times but for some reason it goes over your head like a hot air balloon, it is not the history that is the problem but the tone and interpretation that is the problem. MormonThink seeks to damage the church, the others above do not.

Now look up and see the hot air balloon and bring it down to earth. I am glad that we are friends Mary. :wink:
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Mary wrote:Using this logic then Richard Bushman, Armand Mauss, John Dehlin, Joanna Brooks, Daniel Peterson, Ben Park, Jared Anderson and many, many more should all be 'had up' for apostasy since they have all discussed online and in print, controversial issues.

When their Stake Presidents deem them to be purposely putting out information that is intended to, or likely will damage faithful Mormons' testimonies, they may make a judgment call that the individual is in apostasy, and if so, then the person will either have to go answer the charges, not show up and accept a default judgment, or resign and pre-empt the hearing. If their Stake President doesn't deem the person to be likely in apostasy, then none of this will happen. It's a judgment call, and it's one the Stake Presidents are entrusted with making*.

* I also think it's likely that pressure can be brought down on the Stake President from their higher command, however much the church denies it.
Mary wrote:Heck, even the 'dodo' guy (can't think of his name)

Elder Holland
should be cautioned because he referred to the Catalyst theory of the Book of Abraham and the link between the temple ceremony and masonry.

Would you like to place a bet that Elder Holland's Stake President will agree with you?
Where's the line Sethbag? That's the issue surely, and I'm not sure the leadership genuinely can agree on where the line is, thus Twede's meeting has been cancelled.

The line is in the eyes of the beholder. Why does there have to be a line? Are we all a bunch of language lawyers now? Are we really going to go into a church court and try to defend against a charge of apostasy on the grounds that Webster's Dictionary says one thing and we can argue some technicality and suddenly it's all OK?

The bottom line is it's the church's longstanding practice to defend itself against any threats to its members testimonies. Constituting such a threat, in the eyes of one's bishop and stake president, is likely to get one hauled into a church court for apostasy. Is this really rocket science?

My guess is that, weighing the damage being done by MormonThink as it is now, against the damage that will be done by MormonThink once the church's actions are published far and wide and brought to a great many more members' attention than was the case before, they may opt for the lesser of two weavils.

I'm betting that A) after the election the media won't give a crap anymore (unless Romney wins), and B) after the media stops giving a crap, the Stake President will probably move against Brother Twede again.
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why me wrote:Dear Mary, As I have stated countless times but for some reason it goes over your head like a hot air balloon, it is not the history that is the problem but the tone and interpretation that is the problem. MormonThink seeks to damage the church, the others above do not.


NO, this is the purpose of MormonThink:

The purpose of this site is to generate discussion about little-known topics of church history to those interested in increasing their knowledge about these kinds of interesting, historical Mormon issues. We encourage people to think objectively about issues involving the doctrine, practices and history of the LDS church. Many Latter-day Saints are completely unaware of some or all of the issues discussed here, or have an incomplete, one-sided view of them. We present arguments and responses from both critics of the church and true-believing members and add some opinions of those that helped compile the data.

In our opinion, nothing on this site 100% proves or disproves whether or not the LDS church is God's one, true church. We merely present some of the strongest critics arguments used against the church and then find the strongest defenses we can find against those arguments.

There are many legitimate issues that many LDS members are concerned about and many Latter-day Saints have left the church over them. Our hope is that the church will start discussing these issues openly so members can know the facts from all sides so everyone can decide for themselves how important they think these issues are. We feel that if the church will start openly discussing these issues and perhaps provide some official responses, less people will leave the church over them and those in the church that already know about these issues, will feel more comfortable remaining in the church if they can openly discuss them.

http://www.mormonthink.com/introductionweb.htm#purpose
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Drifting wrote:If you are excommunicated you cannot take the sacrament, you cannot hold a calling, you cannot go home teaching, you cannot give talks or prayers in meetings, you cannot perform Priesthood ordinances, you cannot attend the temple, you cannot pay tithing...and it's classed as punishment?


I'd miss giving patriarchal blessings but that's about it.
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Bob Loblaw wrote:
Drifting wrote:If you are excommunicated you cannot take the sacrament, you cannot hold a calling, you cannot go home teaching, you cannot give talks or prayers in meetings, you cannot perform Priesthood ordinances, you cannot attend the temple, you cannot pay tithing...and it's classed as punishment?


I'd miss giving patriarchal blessings but that's about it.


You can still give them, but call them 'Fathers blessings' instead.
Any non priesthood holder can give a parental blessing.
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Drifting wrote:You can still give them, but call them 'Fathers blessings' instead.
Any non priesthood holder can give a parental blessing.


Yes but it's not the same as filling random youth's heads with nonsense. It's really fun to give them a strange lineage like Issachar or Naphtali. I've thrown a few families for a loop. :lol:
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"This is the latest email I [David Twede] have about it.

'Dear Brother Twede,

I learned recently that Bishop Dollar will be traveling for business this weekend and therefore we'll need to postpone the disciplinary council until a later date. I feel his participation is important, and would rather not proceed without him. I will contact you again in the near future to schedule another date.

Sincerely,

President Pratt'"

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As it is without the sealing power--with their genitals.
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I am guessing the disciplinary court will proceed after the election ( Nov 7th) for obvious reasons based on the media reaction. If Romney wins, it might be postponed until he is out of office. LOL. This is my interpretation on how Twede's court cancellation went down:

It starts with a call from the Romney campaign to the LDS HQ.

Romney campaign: What the @&$?#! You guys aren't making my campaign easy by pulling your weird cult-like suppression of free speech on this guy's website. It's all over the news! For the love of god, please tone it down until after the election! I am getting killed out here.

Church HQ: Dear Lord! You are right! We will contact Allan Pratt, his SP and nip this in the bud.

Church HQ: Pratt! What the hell? Stop the Twede witch hunt until after the election. You are screwing up the Romney campaign you idiot! It's all over the media. Exercise some judgement you idiot!

Pratt: B-b-but, I was just doing what the Area Authorities told me to!

Church HQ: Nevermind what you were told. The plan has changed. Just bow your head and say "yes". From here on out keep your mouth shut and refer any media to our PR Dept.

Pratt: I understand.

Pratt's wife: Who was that on the phone dear?

Pratt: It was church HQ. they want me to back off Twede's court until after the election. I think I just ruined my chances of becoming a GA by inadvertently giving the church a black eye. My judgement was clouded by my masturbation problem. Damn you Internet porn pop ups!

Elsewhere...

DCP: Scott my boy, many say your tattle telling on Twede was cowardly and childish, but you did the right thing. Since I was booted out of the MI, there was no way I could head up a hit piece to slander him. What other options were available other then selling him out?

Scott Gordon: I know. That was my only option. There is no way I could logically argue the points on his website, so I chose to mess up his personal life instead.
Tapirs... Yeah... That's the ticket!
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