MT Twede's court cancelled

[_Yong Xi]

He sounds foolish with the paisley stuff.

Navy suits, white shirts, cheap ties and unpolished shoes have nothing on paisley. I would like to see paisley come back big time.

[_Sethbag]

"This is the latest email I [David Twede] have about it.

'Dear Brother Twede,

I learned recently that Bishop Dollar will be traveling for business this weekend and therefore we'll need to postpone the disciplinary council until a later date. I feel his participation is important, and would rather not proceed without him. I will contact you again in the near future to schedule another date.

Sincerely,

President Pratt'"

bracket added

http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,653399

Well, that hardly looks like it was postponed for any other reason than simple personal scheduling conflicts.

[_why me]

NO, this is the purpose of MormonThink:

The purpose of this site is to generate discussion about little-known topics of church history to those interested in increasing their knowledge about these kinds of interesting, historical Mormon issues. We encourage people to think objectively about issues involving the doctrine, practices and history of the LDS church. Many Latter-day Saints are completely unaware of some or all of the issues discussed here, or have an incomplete, one-sided view of them. We present arguments and responses from both critics of the church and true-believing members and add some opinions of those that helped compile the data.

In our opinion, nothing on this site 100% proves or disproves whether or not the LDS church is God's one, true church. We merely present some of the strongest critics arguments used against the church and then find the strongest defenses we can find against those arguments.

There are many legitimate issues that many LDS members are concerned about and many Latter-day Saints have left the church over them. Our hope is that the church will start discussing these issues openly so members can know the facts from all sides so everyone can decide for themselves how important they think these issues are. We feel that if the church will start openly discussing these issues and perhaps provide some official responses, less people will leave the church over them and those in the church that already know about these issues, will feel more comfortable remaining in the church if they can openly discuss them.

http://www.mormonthink.com/introductionweb.htm#purpose

They may say it this way. But the content speaks volumes. And the attitude of the board as far as we know does not exactly hold the LDS church in high regard. And this is the problem with their mission statement. It is misleading. Of course since many were members when they wrote it, they would say it this way. But reading the site, well,,,,it is there to cast doubt.

As I have said before, the critics here would not be defending the site if they believed that it was faith promoting. I think that we can agree with that.

[_Drifting]

"This is the latest email I [David Twede] have about it.

'Dear Brother Twede,

I learned recently that Bishop Dollar will be traveling for business this weekend and therefore we'll need to postpone the disciplinary council until a later date. I feel his participation is important, and would rather not proceed without him. I will contact you again in the near future to schedule another date.

Sincerely,

President Pratt'"

bracket added

http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,653399

Well, that hardly looks like it was postponed for any other reason than simple personal scheduling conflicts.

So...not only does Stake President Pratt make a mess of the letter inviting David to the meeting, he didn't even check if everyone was available before confirming the date.

Pratt indeed...

[_son of Ishmael]

So...not only does Stake President Pratt make a mess of the letter inviting David to the meeting, he didn't even check if everyone was available before confirming the date.

Pratt indeed...

[_Drifting]

So...not only does Stake President Pratt make a mess of the letter inviting David to the meeting, he didn't even check if everyone was available before confirming the date.

Pratt indeed...

I'm guessing the Holy Ghost is on a break...

[_Mary]

They may say it this way. But the content speaks volumes. And the attitude of the board as far as we know does not exactly hold the LDS church in high regard. And this is the problem with their mission statement. It is misleading. Of course since many were members when they wrote it, they would say it this way. But reading the site, well,,,,it is there to cast doubt.

As I have said before, the critics here would not be defending the site if they believed that it was faith promoting. I think that we can agree with that.

Why me, let me explain my experience, yes it is anecdotal, but I am not alone. When I have a question (which I often do) about an aspect of church history, I go to the books I have in my possession, to wiki, including Mormonwiki, to the FAIR site and to Mormon Think, and indeed any other site that I think will be useful. I have consistently found that Mormon Think covers the various aspects of history in a more balanced, neutral and thorough way. That is my experience.

Rather than just endlessly chiming away about the motives of the contributors, who as Dianne explained more than once, come from a variety of belief backgrounds, including full belief, why don't 'you' check out the different areas and see if you can see where I am coming from.

We can all, I think, acknowledge that various aspects of Church History are faith promoting and inspiring and also 'not' faith promoting and 'not' inspiring. That's life. That's the nature of 'truth' (being a double edged sword) and the reality of imperfect people attempting to access their interpretations and understanding of the Divine.

Should scholars not investigate the historical Jesus because it might hurt faith? Should Ehrman not investigate the origin and development of canon because it might hurt faith? His own bias noted, is what Ehrman says useful to the wider interested community in deepening and widening perspectives, perceptions and knowledge?

Park Romney is right. The Brighamite Church has consistently and repeatedly hidden less than faith promoting but significant and important history and evidence from its own members. It may have done so for the best intentions, ie in order to produce a sacred narrative that is uplifting, pure and inspiring and designed to keep its members obedient, believing and within the church, but it is no longer working. The internet age has put paid to that. Members must either become more distant and removed from society in general or they must tackle these difficult issues. What they will be left with in my opinion, if they stay within the church is a deeper and more nuanced faith based on truth, trust and openness.

I think there are those within the church that get that. Mormon Think is not the enemy here. Truth is.

[_Tator]

Dear Mary, As I have stated countless times but for some reason it goes over your head like a hot air balloon, it is not the history that is the problem but the tone and interpretation that is the problem. MormonThink seeks to damage the church, the others above do not.

Now look up and see the hot air balloon and bring it down to earth. I am glad that we are friends Mary.

Dear why me, As I have stated countless times but for some reason it goes over your head like a hot air balloon, it is the content of your posts coupled with the tone and interpretation of your posts that has the majority of posters here putting you on ignore. Why me you seek to protect the church, DCP and all your heroes from the truth while others here only seek the truth.

Now look up and see the hot air balloon and bring it down to earth. I wish you could see the truth and accept it, Tator.

[_Chap]

Dear Mary, ... I am glad that we are friends Mary.

...

Uh, Mary: you need to make an excuse NOW about needing to go to the little girls' room, sneak out the back, get to your car and get the hell out.

I just pray you aren't wearing light cotton, that's all.

[_just me]

Uh, Mary: you need to make an excuse NOW about needing to go to the little girls' room, sneak out the back, get to your car and get the hell out.

I just pray you aren't wearing light cotton, that's all.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!

(this is true, though. RUN!)