Steroid Topic Offshoot from Darrick Evenson is Homeless

[_hatersinmyward]

Haters, let's start with which Eli Lilly was a Mormon, the grandfather or the grandson?

Don't know, do you?

This link contains even more names of LDS board members at Lilly Corp.

http://marriottschool.BYU.edu/marriottm ... ual_report

[_lulu]

Eli Lilly was a Mormon through and through. Lilly Corp has never left Mormon hands.

Haters, let's start with which Eli Lilly was a Mormon, the grandfather or the grandson?

Don't know, do you?

This link contains even more names of LDS board members at Lilly Corp.

http://marriottschool.BYU.edu/marriottm ... ual_report

You claim is that a person named Eli Lilly was a Mormon. There were two, the grandfather, July 8, 1838 – June 6, 1898, perhaps you could tell us when he converted to Mormonism. The grandson, Eli Lilly April 1, 1885 – January 24, 1977 was an Episcopalian.

[Guest]

Using androgel as prescribed is nothing like steriod abuse--not at all----not even remotely.
Used properly, it brings T-levels of old farts to that of a younger man like yourself. This is good for the bones and stuff. If you try to overuse it you simply run out before you can refill it--no point in that.
So far from being addictive, it is actually hard to remember to use, quite inconvenient, and offers no more immediate reward than a calcium supplement.
Get a clue! You are truly ignorant on this.

The only thing in your post that's accurate is remembering to use it daily(i'll give you that)

I didn't get huge huge but they did make me noticeably bigger, but it's hard to say because I wasn't lifting daily while I was on it.

New found charisma is the most addictive property(which isn't androgel exclusive)

The withdrawal symptoms aren't like heroin, if that's what your rational. Androgel withdrawal will however cause your skin to itch like no other, make you all kinds of horny and your t-levels will go screwy because the nuts have to do the job the clear liquid alcohol gel was doing for you.

Now provide sources supporting your opinion, if you can.

[_hatersinmyward]

You claim is that a person named Eli Lilly was a Mormon. There were two, the grandfather, July 8, 1838 – June 6, 1898, perhaps you could tell us when he converted to Mormonism. The grandson, Eli Lilly April 1, 1885 – January 24, 1977 was an Episcopalian.[/color]

I was wrong thought I read it somewhere, still doesn't change the fact Lilly Corp is run by Mormons, of course here is the list of top lilly corp executives is someone wan't to filter through it.

http://www.sourcesolution.com/speakup/d ... Management

[_Tarski]

Using androgel as prescribed is nothing like steriod abuse--not at all----not even remotely.
Used properly, it brings T-levels of old farts to that of a younger man like yourself. This is good for the bones and stuff. If you try to overuse it you simply run out before you can refill it--no point in that.
So far from being addictive, it is actually hard to remember to use, quite inconvenient, and offers no more immediate reward than a calcium supplement.
Get a clue! You are truly ignorant on this.

The only thing in your post that's accurate is remembering to use it daily(i'll give you that)

I didn't get huge huge but they did make me noticeably bigger, but it's hard to say because I wasn't lifting daily while I was on it.

New found charisma is the most addictive property(which isn't androgel exclusive)

The withdrawal symptoms aren't like heroin, if that's what your rational. Androgel withdrawal will however cause your skin to itch like no other, make you all kinds of horny and your t-levels will go screwy because the nuts have to do the job the clear liquid alcohol gel was doing for you.

Now provide sources supporting your opinion, if you can.

Everything in my post is 100% accurate. My knowledge on this topic, as well as the topic synthetic steriods is pretty extensive.

Many of the things you said about the topic weren't just wrong but you had things in reverse. Going off of TRT may cause a drop in libido since DHT drops in tandem with testosterone level (the former being a metabolite of the latter).
It sounds like you were pretty much suceptable to the power of suggestion and psychosomatic results of your strange expectations.
I have years of experience with this and so do a half a dozen friends. I used to go to an online forum on the topic and your comments would just cause a lot of laughter.

It is funny how you start out acting like it is a dangerous drug and end up making weak complaints about a fluctuation in horniness and a bit of an itch on your skin from the alcohol base. Sheesh!

Just for comparison:
I have been on a TRT cream for years (off and on as I can remember to use it) and haven't noticed one single thing one way or another. I am just assuming it will help with maintaining normal bone density and prevent the degeneration of muscle associated with aging. I may have one time gotten a pimple.

On the other hand, I once did take an actual synthetic steriod (superdrol-chemical formula: Second Amendment,17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol2a,17a-dimethyl-etiocholan-3-one-17b-ol ) which is ironically still legally available in some stores, and it nearly killed me in a mere 4 weeks!
My liver values went to 4 times higher than normal, my kidney function dropped, and my joints became dangerously swollen.


TRT cream and synthetic anabolics are like night and day if we are considering how they are typically used in real life!!
Putting those topics together really causes more confusion than understanding.

By the way, I have no doubt that using androgel when you are still young with normal T-levels is a mistake. That is abuse. You are just giving your body permission to shut down it's own androgen production. Not wise.
If your nuts can still produce testosterone then you should be using androgel. If you are then this isn't anyone's fault but your own. Don't blame some company that is kindy producing a useful product for those that can safely benefit from it.

Also, what the hell difference does it make to you if there are Mormons employed at some drug company?? That sounds paranoid and like religious bigottry.

[_Maxrep]

Tarski's comments have been spot on. Testosterone and steriods are two entirely different animals. The dosage rates, simultanious "stacking" of several steriod compounds, growth hormone, as well as insulin injections(an anabolic agent), used by competitive bodybuilders, is so far afield of those who are prescribed androgel, that Haters position is laughable.

[Guest]

Everything in my post is 100% accurate. My knowledge on this topic, as well as the topic synthetic steriods is pretty extensive.

whatever.

Many of the things you said about the topic weren't just wrong but you had things in reverse. Going off of TRT may cause a drop in libido since DHT drops in tandem with testosterone level

that's not true.

It is funny how you start out acting like it is a dangerous drug and end up making weak complaints about a fluctuation in horniness and a bit of an itch on your skin from the alcohol base. Sheesh!

The detox caused the itch.

I have been on a TRT cream for years (off and on as I can remember to use it) and haven't noticed one single thing one way or another.

then you're lying.

On the other hand, I once did take an actual synthetic steriod (superdrol-chemical formula: Second Amendment,17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol2a,17a-dimethyl-etiocholan-3-one-17b-ol ) which is ironically still legally available in some stores, and it nearly killed me in a mere 4 weeks!

Dumb*** You claim to have a vast knowledge of medicine yet you put over the counter designer drugs into your body, tell me another one.

TRT cream and synthetic anabolics are like night and day if we are considering how they are typically used in real life!!

yep.

Putting those topics together really causes more confusion than understanding.

Probably true.

By the way, I have no doubt that using androgel when you are still young with normal T-levels is a mistake. That is abuse. You are just giving your body permission to shut down it's own androgen production. Not wise.

I did have low-t but some doctors weren't willing to prescribe them.

If your nuts can still produce testosterone then you should be using androgel. If you are then this isn't anyone's fault but your own. Don't blame some company that is kindy producing a useful product for those that can safely benefit from it.

Most people don't need it.

Here's why when you use steroids your balls shink, Short term use your balls get lazy, prolonged or heavy use will cause your balls to shrink. After that you'll always need a testosterone supplement because you won't be able to produce testosterone on your own. Why, because they're dead, shrivled up and dead.

In my case where my testosterone is/was slightly below average, Just when I stopped my balls tried to make up for the lack of androgel, sending me into a sex crazed horny state(i have ptsd which probably contributed to the situation)

Also, what the hell difference does it make to you if there are Mormons employed at some drug company?? That sounds paranoid and like religious bigottry.

Look, the meat and potatoes!!!

How much money do you spend on pills each month?

It matters because major drug companies make most of their money by pushing drugs on people that don't need them. While Mormons claim to be better than that.

Does it please you NAMI is marketed as some homegrown organization when its a front for drug companies, screwing with peoples lives even further?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_A ... ll#Funding


On top of that, marketing androgel for men in their late 40's to early 50's is clearly off-lable. The drug companies just want to exploit people.

Bottom line is most people don't need those drugs. Old men don't need androgel, people get old and their body stops working, that's nature.

[_hatersinmyward]

Tarski's comments have been spot on. Testosterone and steriods are two entirely different animals. The dosage rates, simultanious "stacking" of several steriod compounds, growth hormone, as well as insulin injections(an anabolic agent), used by competitive bodybuilders, is so far afield of those who are prescribed androgel, that Haters position is laughable.

What were my comments?

Testosterone and steriods are two entirely different animals

I agree, stop putting words in my mouth dip****

[_Tarski]

Dumb*** You claim to have a vast knowledge of medicine yet you put over the counter designer drugs into your body, tell me another one.

Since you weren't smart enough on your own to see why your conclusion is unjustified, let me help:

I learned all I know about steriods and hormone therapy etc. after and in part because of my encounter with superdrol.

Tah dah!

By the way, the product I took was sold over the counter and had deceptive ingredient labeling as I was to discover.

What is your excuse for taking the dreaded androgel?? LOL

[_hatersinmyward]

What is your excuse for taking the dreaded androgel?? LOL

2 reasons.

1. A genetic disorder which is a slight problem for me.

2. You know that shot they give military personnel which makes it so they don't get gay on deck?