Religious Test: Film Exploring Voter Aversion To Mormonism

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Religious Test: Film Exploring Voter Aversion To Mormonism

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I think most of you will be very interested in this. Plus, some of you seem close enough Logan to actually attend. I hope the whole thing gets online eventually but it can be purchased:

Film exploring voter aversion to Mormonism screened locally

The public is invited to a free screening Tuesday of a film that explores why nearly 20 percent of the U.S. voting population admits they will not vote for a Mormon in the upcoming presidential election.

The Utah State University Religious Studies program is hosting the screening of the independent film, which will play at 5:15 p.m. Tuesday in room 130 of the Veterinary Science Building on the USU campus.

“The Religious Test” looks at “religious intolerance in contemporary America.” The screening and question-and-answer session with the filmmakers runs from 5:15 p.m. to 7 p.m.

The screening comes on the eve of first presidential debate at the University of Denver between President Barack Obama and GOP candidate Mitt Romney — the first Mormon nominee for president.

In “The Religious Test,” independent filmmakers Trevor Hill and Michael Potter state that “one in five Americans say they won’t support a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for the nation’s top office,” according to a USU news release on the film screening. Both men attended college at Utah universities.

Phil Barlow, the program’s director, said the film addresses good political and religious questions, and that attendees should follow-up and ask good questions of the filmmakers.

Barlow himself has become a popular source for major news outlets across the country for his analysis on the Mormon influence on the presidential race — and the fact that he was friends with Romney when they both lived in Cambridge, Mass.

http://news.hjnews.c...1a4bcf887a.html


Official Trailer (2:11):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mvShCOHY_c

First Chapter (20:43). Total runtime is 86 mins:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifsztWik9XU

Also posted on the MDD:
http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/59059-the-religious-test-film-exploring-voter-aversion-to-mormonism/
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They still rate better than atheists. I suspect you would support a bias against voting for an atheist for president, wouldn't you?
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Why is it called The Religious Test?
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Isn't this a simple matter? Two quite different principles are involved:

1. Legally, any person who fulfills the qualifications of age and nationality can stand for election as President, irrespective of religion. That's as it should be.

2. Legally, voters are entitled to make their choice as to how to cast their votes in any way they please. If they feel they have grounds for thinking that a candidate's religion might render him less likely to be a good President, they are free to vote accordingly and to attempt to persuade others to join them. Other people can argue against them. That's as it should be.

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Quite a smorgasbord of comments to be found. I was amused by the fellow who said he did not care what religion a candidate has as long as it did not affect his policy. Ridiculous.

If a persons religion means he has a world view repugnant to me I will not vote for that person because of his religion. Mormonism does not really qualify for my personal exclusion principal.Mormonism is ordinary American enough that as a voter I would focus on what beliefs and aspirations the candidate shows as an individual.

How people associate into groups has a lot of variety. Linked to the link is Mormon story presentation by the author Joanna Brooks. I realize some here doubt she is true Mormon. I was staggered by the density of her absorption in Mormon culture. She stated she grew up feeling completely safe and in possession of the truth. I find that bizarre. I grew up with lurking fear and uncertainty over this organization I found my self in. She was inactive for years singing "Come Come Ye Saints" to her child. I cannot imagine doing that. Its a lovely hymn. Perhaps the Mormonism best. For years it reminded me only of fear.

I do not suppose my associations incline me to vote for Mitt as much as Joanna's might.
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Is it really prejudiced to be unwilling to vote for someone for someone because their religion? To Mormons I ask, would you vote for a scientologist? What about an atheist? This idea that a candidates religion should be somehow off limits seems ridiculous to me. After all what influences a persons worldview more than their religion? How can you say that moraltity comes from your religious worldview and then place it off limits? Certainly I think that if people do refuse to vote for a candidate, it should be because of a correct understanding of their faith and not because of misconceptions.

Personally I think Mormonism is especially problematic. If the church were to ask Romney to vote a certain way, how does he turn them down if he sincerely believes that they are God's representatives? I think you just need to look at the the MTC building earlier this year, and see how the church leveraged their ecclesiastical authority over the membership to push a civil matter through. How do you know they won't try to exert a similar type of influence over Romney?

Likewise if a candidates religion instructs him that homosexuals are sinners and deserve some kind of infinite punishment I will take that into consideration when I'm at the voting both. If because of their religious beliefs they think the world is 6000 years old, I will take that into consideration. I can't just ignore it because it happens to fall under the realm of faith.

But if the name of the game is playing the persecution card, I guess I win as 43% say they won't vote for an atheist.
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Phil Barlow, the program’s director, said the film addresses good political and religious questions, and that attendees should follow-up and ask good questions of the filmmakers.

Thanks Phil, are you afraid Aggies will ask bad questions, or not follow up at all?

About the film makers:

http://thereligioustest.com/about/filmmakers/
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Stormy Waters wrote:Is it really prejudiced to be unwilling to vote for someone for someone because their religion? To Mormons I ask, would you vote for a scientologist? What about an atheist? This idea that a candidates religion should be somehow off limits seems ridiculous to me. After all what influences a persons worldview more than their religion? How can you say that moraltity comes from your religious worldview and then place it off limits? Certainly I think that if people do refuse to vote for a candidate, it should be because of a correct understanding of their faith and not because of misconceptions.

Personally I think Mormonism is especially problematic. If the church were to ask Romney to vote a certain way, how does he turn them down if he sincerely believes that they are God's representatives? I think you just need to look at the the MTC building earlier this year, and see how the church leveraged their ecclesiastical authority over the membership to push a civil matter through. How do you know they won't try to exert a similar type of influence over Romney?

Likewise if a candidates religion instructs him that homosexuals are sinners and deserve some kind of infinite punishment I will take that into consideration when I'm at the voting both. If because of their religious beliefs they think the world is 6000 years old, I will take that into consideration. I can't just ignore it because it happens to fall under the realm of faith.

But if the name of the game is playing the persecution card, I guess I win as 43% say they won't vote for an atheist.

Of course, it would be disconcerting to think an elected official takes marching orders from his or her religion.

More likely, but perhaps even more pernicious, is that the elected official makes decisions, fearing eternal judgment consequences for those official decisions. It is one thing to know the source of beliefs that have shaped one's moral development and thinking. It is worthy of examination, as a possible predictor of how, if elected, that adherent might decide certain issues that will come across his or her desk. That's what I see the relevance of Romney's faith, as I have seen no indication that he would kow-tow either to the FP/12 if they sought to direct his presidential decision making or that he would, when making a decision, ask himself, "What would (Mormon) Jesus do?"

I have nevertheless witnessed the thinking of many of those BIC (multiple generations at that) and raised in the LDS faith is clearly 'informed' by the tenets of Mormonism, even when the subject is not a religious topic. Usually those Mormons that exhibit it in elected office are, like Romney, Republican. Don't see it so much in Harry Reid, for example.

There are those that are both Mormon and Republican that believe a good Mormon must be a Republican, seeing much more overlap between the two sets of ideas than between Mormonism and Democrats.

In Romney's instance, what drives him to be a Republican in the first place? He's been all over the map on many social issues. He does seem to be more 'at home' with the Republican philosophies when it comes to fiscal issues. That, and it being the party of his fathers, might be the explanation.

That Romney has not towed the Mormon line when it comes to social issues, and social issues ought to be the preeminent of religious concern, I do not see evidence that he would consciously factor the LDS position into his policy making decisions on social issues. His meandering history on social issues might be a concern written off as due to maturation or a willingness to think things through and change his mind. However, if one overlays the political races and places he has been in when and as those changes have occurred, and the direction he tacked, there is more than a mere passing coincidence that one can chalk up to political expedience being Romney's motivation on social issues. On social issues, Romney's past reveals more of a political opportunist than a man guided by principle or his faith.

As the American public is realizing that preventing gay marriage is stupid, one might expect that if elected Romney would not oppose legislative moves to open marriage up to gays, despite the LDS Church being opposed to such. Romney also seems more receptive to women's equality issues than the LDS Church.

Romney seems more interested--and more consistent--in fiscal issues than social issues or international relations. And here, he is in sync with the majority of Mormons. However, Romney's fiscal thinking seems more the product of his father's and his own occupational experience than driven by Romney's Mormon faith.

As to international relations, I don't see candidate Romney all that clear, or even interested.

So in sum, I do not see a Romney presidency as a "Mormon" presidency. I think Americans that would vote against Romney because he is Mormon as either an overblown fear of Mormon dictates emanating from the White House, or good old-fashioned religious discrimination (which as Chap pointed out, is perfectly allowed by the voters).

Am I voting for Romney? No. I do not vote nor support any candidates for office. I simply think that the Mormon religion is not a good factor for anyone to decide whether to vote for or against Romney.
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meh, nothing newly insightful in Ch. 1.

But don't miss Danny's hyperbole at about 16:00.
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sock puppet wrote:More likely, but perhaps even more pernicious, is that the elected official makes decisions, fearing eternal judgment consequences for those official decisions. It is one thing to know the source of beliefs that have shaped one's moral development and thinking. It is worthy of examination, as a possible predictor of how, if elected, that adherent might decide certain issues that will come across his or her desk. That's what I see the relevance of Romney's faith, as I have seen no indication that he would kow-tow either to the FP/12 if they sought to direct his presidential decision making or that he would, when making a decision, ask himself, "What would (Mormon) Jesus do?"
...
That Romney has not towed the Mormon line when it comes to social issues, and social issues ought to be the preeminent of religious concern, I do not see evidence that he would consciously factor the LDS position into his policy making decisions on social issues. His meandering history on social issues might be a concern written off as due to maturation or a willingness to think things through and change his mind. However, if one overlays the political races and places he has been in when and as those changes have occurred, and the direction he tacked, there is more than a mere passing coincidence that one can chalk up to political expedience being Romney's motivation on social issues. On social issues, Romney's past reveals more of a political opportunist than a man guided by principle or his faith.


I do see Romney as first and foremost as a political opportunist. I guess realistically Romney could been seen as NOMish type who is in the church because he was born in it. Has he ever been directly asked about how he would handle a call from Salt Lake City? I do think that is one question he needs to answer clearly and honestly.
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