Are Mormon's the real Jews...?

[_PrickKicker]

The answer is simple...

Yes, Mormons believe that they are the current chosen people, they believe they are the children of Israel.
It runs deep through their theology and deep in US society and through Masonry and Fraternal Secret Societies.

[_SteelHead]

I am just waiting for the lineage is not ethnicity response..... in the same way lineage is not race.

[_Quasimodo]

If you bother to read, i am not making a claim that He was Jewish or that He was not Jewish, so whoever makes either claim has the burden of proving it.
I simply stated the facts
1. That His ethnicity is never mentioned in the scriptures.
2. That there are theories about what His race/ethnicity is.

In other words, i conveyed the same indifference that the scriptures convey with regards to His race and/or appearance.

But feel free to bring your own evidence to the table after you are finished "reeling"

You're basing your defense on semantics? OK, lets substitute the word Semitic for Jewish (even though that was the original question). Do you still doubt that the Bible describes Jesus as a Semite given the Biblical quotations I and others have made?

Can you provide any evidence to the contrary?

Please excuse any typing errors, I'm still reeling and working the keyboard is a little difficult.

[_subgenius]

If you bother to read, i am not making a claim that He was Jewish or that He was not Jewish, so whoever makes either claim has the burden of proving it.
I simply stated the facts
1. That His ethnicity is never mentioned in the scriptures.
2. That there are theories about what His race/ethnicity is.

In other words, i conveyed the same indifference that the scriptures convey with regards to His race and/or appearance.

But feel free to bring your own evidence to the table after you are finished "reeling"

You're basing your defense on semantics? OK, lets substitute the word Semitic for Jewish (even though that was the original question). Do you still doubt that the Bible describes Jesus as a Semite given the Biblical quotations I and others have made?

Can you provide any evidence to the contrary?

Please excuse any typing errors, I'm still reeling and working the keyboard is a little difficult.

Judaism is based on a maternal descent is it not?
Additionally, the Torah and Deuteronomy 7 is clear that if a child has mixed parents (one jew and one not-jew) then that child is not considered Jewish...and really the scriptures are somewhat conflicted over what really makes a Jew then as today.
For example compare
Lev 24:10 with Ezra 10:2-3
Deut 7:3-4 with 1 Kings 15:11

so, you can see why the position that the scriptures do not really specify His ethnicity is a valid response, because we all recognize that He was a sort of temporal-divine mulatto.

But again, i am not claiming He was a Jew, so i do not have to prove that He was...that burden is on whoever makes that claim, and the scriptures do not support that claim.

[_SteelHead]

Ok lets try this from a different approach.

Luke 2:

21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.

22 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;

23 (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;)

24 And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.

Met with the mohel. Tip nipped, presented at the the temple. Jew.

[_Quasimodo]

Judaism is based on a maternal descent is it not?
Additionally, the Torah and Deuteronomy 7 is clear that if a child has mixed parents (one jew and one not-jew) then that child is not considered Jewish...and really the scriptures are somewhat conflicted over what really makes a Jew then as today.
For example compare
Lev 24:10 with Ezra 10:2-3
Deut 7:3-4 with 1 Kings 15:11

so, you can see why the position that the scriptures do not really specify His ethnicity is a valid response, because we all recognize that He was a sort of temporal-divine mulatto.

But again, i am not claiming He was a Jew, so i do not have to prove that He was...that burden is on whoever makes that claim, and the scriptures do not support that claim.

First you use ethnicity to support your statements. Now you're switching back to Judaism as a defence and conveniently ignoring the Semitic question. You're just playing silly buggers.

I don't have any idea what you do for a living, but if you're currently unemployed, you should consider used car sales.

[Guest]

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[_Drifting]

stuff

First you use ethnicity to support your statements. Now you're switching back to Judaism as a defence and conveniently ignoring the Semitic question. You're just playing silly buggers.

I don't have any idea what you do for a living, but if you're currently unemployed, you should consider used car sales.

Subby's modus operandi...

[_subgenius]

Judaism is based on a maternal descent is it not?
Additionally, the Torah and Deuteronomy 7 is clear that if a child has mixed parents (one jew and one not-jew) then that child is not considered Jewish...and really the scriptures are somewhat conflicted over what really makes a Jew then as today.
For example compare
Lev 24:10 with Ezra 10:2-3
Deut 7:3-4 with 1 Kings 15:11

so, you can see why the position that the scriptures do not really specify His ethnicity is a valid response, because we all recognize that He was a sort of temporal-divine mulatto.

But again, i am not claiming He was a Jew, so i do not have to prove that He was...that burden is on whoever makes that claim, and the scriptures do not support that claim.

First you use ethnicity to support your statements. Now you're switching back to Judaism as a defence and conveniently ignoring the Semitic question. You're just playing silly buggers.

I don't have any idea what you do for a living, but if you're currently unemployed, you should consider used car sales.

close...i am an extremely successful architect.

But the Semitic question was off topic completely. Having met defeat with the Jew question you were either trying to move the goal posts or trying to change the topic altogether...so which was it?
what possible end-around were you possibly attempting by changing the topic?
and you dare accuse another of being slippery.....
My point is still valid about Jesus's race, ethnicity, skin color, hair color, eye color, height, weight, etc...
sorry that it does not mold well into your predisposition and presumptions.

[_Quasimodo]

close...i am an extremely successful architect.

But the Semitic question was off topic completely. Having met defeat with the Jew question you were either trying to move the goal posts or trying to change the topic altogether...so which was it?
what possible end-around were you possibly attempting by changing the topic?
and you dare accuse another of being slippery.....
My point is still valid about Jesus's race, ethnicity, skin color, hair color, eye color, height, weight, etc...
sorry that it does not mold well into your predisposition and presumptions.

One doesn't often hear a person describe themselves as extremely successful. Good for you if it's true.

I don't feel the least defeated in either or any question. Your points are not valid in any way. You were the one that moved the goalposts. In this conversation, I do not have any presumptions. I'm just reacting to your foolish statements.

You may be a wonderful architect, but your talents in logic are in want.

Oh, care to share any of your architectural designs?