This debate is driving me nuts.

[_Drifting]

If Romney wins and gets his tax cuts and entitlement cuts through Congress and the deficit continues to grow while the rich get richer and Medicare is turned into a voucher program for people under 55 I'm going to throw that s*** in Republican faces for the next four years.



by the way to Ceeboo et al...where is Romney's birth certificate? Romney's college transcripts? Why did Romney really travel to France as a young man? Is Romney really a Mormon or is he a closet Muslim? Might as well treat Romney the way Obama has been treated the past four years.

Like the deficit has been cut under Obama? What confidence do I have he will cut it with four more years of power? Am I supposed to vote for someone who for some reason wants the rich to get poorer? What has Obama done to shore up Medicare?

I voted for Obama four years ago. I am have become less than enthusiastic about Romney. But your argument above doesn't garnsih a lot of good reasons to support Obama. For me is who can best work with a dysfunctional congress (both the house and the senate) to fix our fiscal problems. Don't know if I have the answer yet.

Hmmm...you seem torn between it being better the devil you know and a change is as good as a rest...

[_Ceeboo]

Hey beastie

But, unlike many of our elected republicans, my primary goal isn't to keep my party in the white house

Yea, that's it beastie. The elected republicans are the only ones that have a primary goal to keep their party in control and sitting in the White House. (Mind blowing! )

but in 2016 Hillary (hopefully) will be in shoe-in,

Hopefully sandals will become much more popular than shoes by 2016.

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_bcspace]

Aside from that question, of course I'll be disappointed if Romney wins. But, unlike many of our elected republicans, my primary goal isn't to keep my party in the white house, but rather to see our country do well. If Romney wins and the country does well, I'll be fine. If Romney wins and the country doesn't do well, we'll have some problems over the next four years, but in 2016 Hillary (hopefully) will be in shoe-in, and I think she would be a fine president.

I support the democratic party not because I'm blindly devoted to a party. I support them because I genuinely believe that most of their policies would be better for the country. What I want is for my country to do well. When my country does well, so do I and my family.

It's impossible to make such distinctions any more. Conservative policies are always better for the country than liberal ones and conservatives and liberals have gravitated to opposite parties for so long now that the two parties have become virtually exclusive of one another.

[_EAllusion]

BCSpace -

I read your entire post. That the society in question was meant to be parody of fascism seemed to escape you.

[_Analytics]

For you and all the other over confident Romney haters I hope you are right. It will be hell for you all if you have to eat crow for four years or more.

Personally, part of my really, really hopes Romney does win, because I have absolutely no clue what he would actually do as president, and I’m quite curious to find out.

[_Jason Bourne]

How have you reacted to the republicans who have obviously made it their primary goal to ensure that Obama is a one-term president, even when that entailed opposing legislation that had its origins in republican ideas? (see: ACA)

I am not sure how that is relevant to my post. But to answer, I think it is silly for republicans to have a single minded goal to make Obaam a one-term president.

Aside from that question, of course I'll be disappointed if Romney wins. But, unlike many of our elected republicans, my primary goal isn't to keep my party in the white house, but rather to see our country do well.

And the Democrats like Pelosi and Reid are any less this way towards keeping their party in power?

If Romney wins and the country does well, I'll be fine. If Romney wins and the country doesn't do well, we'll have some problems over the next four years, but in 2016 Hillary (hopefully) will be in shoe-in, and I think she would be a fine president.

Great. I felt the same about Obama. I think the country is still struggling. Does he need four more years to fix it? Maybe. Maybe the mess really needs more than four years.

I support the democratic party not because I'm blindly devoted to a party. I support them because I genuinely believe that most of their policies would be better for the country. What I want is for my country to do well. When my country does well, so do I and my family.

And republican supporters are different from you in this aspect exactly how?

[_Bob Loblaw]

And republican supporters are different from you in this aspect exactly how?

That's what has been bothering me. It's as if they think there is no such thing as a principled conservative, one who actually believes conservative policies are better for all Americans. Apparently we're just racist nuts who can't stand having a black man in the White House and don't want to help out the poor.

The difference I can see between the two parties is mainly that Democrats believe that government spending improves the lives of Americans and benefits the economy. Republicans believe that government spending distorts the economy and, used in excess, can do real damage to the country. But the way some people talk, we hate the poor, drown babies and kittens, and put old people out on the ice floes to die.

I wonder when it became fashionable to equate government spending with compassion? I don't think it's compassionate to promote policies that create entrenched poverty, but that's what a lot of the Great Society legislation has done.

[_beastie]

How have you reacted to the republicans who have obviously made it their primary goal to ensure that Obama is a one-term president, even when that entailed opposing legislation that had its origins in republican ideas? (see: ACA)

I am not sure how that is relevant to my post. But to answer, I think it is silly for republicans to have a single minded goal to make Obaam a one-term president.

Aside from that question, of course I'll be disappointed if Romney wins. But, unlike many of our elected republicans, my primary goal isn't to keep my party in the white house, but rather to see our country do well.

And the Democrats like Pelosi and Reid are any less this way towards keeping their party in power?

If Romney wins and the country does well, I'll be fine. If Romney wins and the country doesn't do well, we'll have some problems over the next four years, but in 2016 Hillary (hopefully) will be in shoe-in, and I think she would be a fine president.

Great. I felt the same about Obama. I think the country is still struggling. Does he need four more years to fix it? Maybe. Maybe the mess really needs more than four years.

I support the democratic party not because I'm blindly devoted to a party. I support them because I genuinely believe that most of their policies would be better for the country. What I want is for my country to do well. When my country does well, so do I and my family.

And republican supporters are different from you in this aspect exactly how?

I didn't say republican supporters are different, did I?

You just accused Democrats of being miserable for four years if Romney gets elected. Now you're complaining because you think I generalized about republicans, which I did not. (reread my post). So you are different than me how?

I get really sick of this crap. I try to stay away from political discussions for this reason, but am weak enough to get sucked back in every four years.

[_beastie]

And republican supporters are different from you in this aspect exactly how?

That's what has been bothering me. It's as if they think there is no such thing as a principled conservative, one who actually believes conservative policies are better for all Americans. Apparently we're just racist nuts who can't stand having a black man in the White House and don't want to help out the poor.

The difference I can see between the two parties is mainly that Democrats believe that government spending improves the lives of Americans and benefits the economy. Republicans believe that government spending distorts the economy and, used in excess, can do real damage to the country. But the way some people talk, we hate the poor, drown babies and kittens, and put old people out on the ice floes to die.

I wonder when it became fashionable to equate government spending with compassion? I don't think it's compassionate to promote policies that create entrenched poverty, but that's what a lot of the Great Society legislation has done.

Who suggested that republicans are racists nuts? I certainly didn't, and am beginning to get irritated at the implication that I did.

[_Jason Bourne]

[quote="beastie

I didn't say republican supporters are different, did I?

You just accused Democrats of being miserable for four years if Romney gets elected. Now you're complaining because you think I generalized about republicans, which I did not. (reread my post). So you are different than me how?

I get really sick of this crap. I try to stay away from political discussions for this reason, but am weak enough to get sucked back in every four years.

No I did not say that Democrats would be miserable for four years. I said the Romney haters on this board. My point was that the Romney haters here seem really passionate in their hatred for Romney and if he wins they would be miserable. I was not referring to all Democrats.