Is Some Racism More or Less Racism Than Other Racism?

[_Droopy]

I asked Beastie this in another thread, but wanted to start a new thread to give this a little more visibility.

Without making this a monograph length essay, I'd like the response of you and any/all other liberals here who wish to comment, what you make of this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marc-lamo ... 48679.html

I'd also like a critique of the Huffington Post, a mainstream publication of the Left, vis-à-vis what kind of paper would publish attitudes such as this, essentially as an op-ed, and not as a report, without critical comment.

[_Tarski]

I asked Beastie this in another thread, but wanted to start a new thread to give this a little more visibility.

Without making this a monograph length essay, I'd like the response of you and any/all other liberals here who wish to comment, what you make of this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marc-lamo ... 48679.html

I'd also like a critique of the Huffington Post, a mainstream publication of the Left, vis-à-vis what kind of paper would publish attitudes such as this, essentially as an op-ed, and not as a report, without critical comment.

*sigh*

fix the link!

[_Brackite]

Question for beastie: Do you believe that it is moral and right for colleges and universities to ask what race students are in 2012 when they are applying to what colleges and universities they want to get into??

Link: http://news.yahoo.com/supreme-court-set ... 30562.html

[_Droopy]

Here's the fixed link

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marc-lamo ... 48679.html

[_krose]

(Here is my response from the other thread.)

I'd like the response of you and any/all other liberals here who wish to comment, what you make of this:

{link to HuffPo article entitled "The 15 Most Overrated White People," which includes Ronald Reagan, Sarah Palin, Donald Trump, Justin Bieber, Tim Tebow and Elvis Presley]

The fact that a convoluted term such as "reverse racism" even exists is an indication of how bizarre a concept it is that an oppressed minority could ever be effectively racist toward the group with all the power. Real racism needs power and authority behind it.

A Hindu in Utah can hate Mormons all he wants, but there is nothing he can really do about it, since Mormons hold all the positions of power where he lives.

[_MeDotOrg]

(Here is my response from the other thread.)

I'd like the response of you and any/all other liberals here who wish to comment, what you make of this:

{link to HuffPo article entitled "The 15 Most Overrated White People," which includes Ronald Reagan, Sarah Palin, Donald Trump, Justin Bieber, Tim Tebow and Elvis Presley]

The fact that a convoluted term such as "reverse racism" even exists is an indication of how bizarre a concept it is that an oppressed minority could ever be effectively racist toward the group with all the power. Real racism needs power and authority behind it.

A Hindu in Utah can hate Mormons all he wants, but there is nothing he can really do about it, since Mormons hold all the positions of power where he lives.

Krose, most of the time I agree with you, but on this we disagree.

Prejudice becomes legitimate when if affects someone's perceptions and actions. Those perceptions and actions don't have to be part of the majority to be hurtful or harmful. Ask Reginald Denny. Your hypothetical Hindu in Utah could decide not to hire someone to work for him because that person is Mormon. (Admittedly, in Utah that would tend to shrink the hiring pool!)

Is someone a racist only because they can be "effectively racist"? The implication is that racism only matters externally impactful. I would argue that racism has a negative impact on the person that holds racist attitudes.

If a majority becomes a minority and loses power, does their prejudice no longer matter? I don't think so.

Also, I think there's a subtext here: It's okay to hate if you don't have power.

And Droopy, I do agree with you on this one. That, coupled with the Mayan calendar, gives me a uneasy feeling about the end of this year ;-)

[_Drifting]

And Droopy, I do agree with you on this one.

I'm going to have to go and lie down...

[_krose]

MDO, it appears I didn't do a good job explaining.

You are right that individuals can cause harm to other individuals due to their personal prejudices and bigotry. Of course. I have had managers who have told me they would not hire Mormons (while making an incorrect assumption about my own religious heritage). I can't and won't defend that sort of harmful attitude. I completely condemn actions based on attributes such as race, no matter who does it.

My beef is more with the people who whine about widespread, institutional discrimination against the groups in power in this country (whites, Christians) in an apparent effort to diminish or justify traditional discrimination against minority groups, which is still happening.

Playing the victim when you are not is pathetic.

[_moksha]

Gender racism is much more insidious than auto racism.

[_Droopy]

The fact that a convoluted term such as "reverse racism" even exists is an indication of how bizarre a concept it is that an oppressed minority could ever be effectively racist toward the group with all the power. Real racism needs power and authority behind it.

Overlooking for a moment the fact that you provide no reason to believe that what you have stated here is the case, or any rational argument in its support, this claim is itself a major premise existing within black power and multiculturalist ideology; it is a theoretical claim embedded within the general overarching framework of cultural Marxism (and its derivative racialist ideological schools of thought) and not a sociological observation or empirical fact.

Indeed, racism, to be racism, requires only racism; it requires only that an individual hold racist, bigoted views of other people. Krose, like most leftists, sees only groups and collectives, not individual human beings as the actual bearers of human traits and attributes. Hence, the well documented anti-white racism, anti-Semitism, and anti-Asian racism that is disproportionately concentrated among substantial segments of the American black population cannot be "racism," even when they end in an rampaging anti-Semitic riot in which innocent people die, as in the Al Sharpton baited and incited Crown Heights riot in 1991. But power, to any rational, critical thinker, has no necessary connection with racism, or any other kind of prejudice or hatred. The ravening mobs of racist blacks who terrorized and looted Korean neighborhoods during the L.A. riots may have no "power" in the sense of the wielding of official political power in Los Angeles, (although they all have the franchise, and in a fee, democratic Republic, they do actually hold substantial power, as we all do, to control and channel the political and economic life of their nation and city (which gives the lie to Krose's facile Marxist boilerplate that these people are somehow powerless and without a voice in a free, open, representative democracy)), but they had overwhelming power, in both numbers and the ability to apply power, against those they looted, beat, and murdered.

A Hindu in Utah can hate Mormons all he wants, but there is nothing he can really do about it, since Mormons hold all the positions of power where he lives.

Oh yes, there is:

http://whitegirlbleedalot.com/
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/jamie-glaz ... eed-a-lot/
http://www.amazon.com/White-Girl-Bleed- ... 0615621635

All he has to do is decide to go out and assault, kill, rape, maim, steal, or destroy, against a member of the group he hates. Any target will do, as any target - as is the case for the Left - is not so much an individual as a symbolic representation of the entire group.

It must be agreed that racism is about power, but not political power per se. Power is the ability to act, or to force others to act in a certain way by demand or threat of violence (hard power, in IR terms) All individuals hold this kind of power by virtue of being individuals with agency, motives, beliefs, and the capacity to act upon thought, and racism is nothing more than an individual characteristic, like any other form of bigotry, or like colorblindness, love, humility, patience, or any other psychological attribute as it is found within disparate, individual personalities.

It has no collective features, anymore than does any other individual human characteristic or attribute. The using of political power of in-groups against out-groups can be a concomitant of racism; it may be present when racism is present, and may be used in its name, but it is not a necessary component of racism. All one needs to be a racist, if one wished to act on his racism, is his fists, a gun, a knife, a case of spraypaint, or a gallon of gasoline and a couple matches.

Krose's opinions here are a textbook example of just the degree to which the Left, wherever it arises and holds cultural dominance, as it does in America and the West, is such a clear and present danger to the very ground and basis of civilization and to humanity itself.