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Re: For former Mormons who became atheists

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PrickKicker wrote:You don't get it, do you???

It is not the 'Humanitarian-harmony' philosophy of religious people,
that people like me dislike.

It is the unprovable bull s***, magic and mystiscism.

Which you clearly will not share your insight into, along with your enlightenment on a site like this, with swine like us.

We by word magic turn people like you back into your natural form which is a manipulatively deceptive habitual pathological compulsive delusional sociopath with empty promises of spiritual guidance and enlightenment.

BE TRUE TO YOURSELF AND OTHERS BY KEEPING IT REAL!
STOP TRYING TO CONVINCE PEOPLE YOU KNOW MORE THAN THEY DO ABOUT THE - UNKNOWN!
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Sheesh I can't keep up with all the posts here.

I like the way you think PrickKicker. I believe atheism is part of enlightenment. Being present in the moment is enlightenment, as far as I understand it. No promise of salvation. no mythology. Not knowing is enlightenment. It = sincerity. In that sense, you are just as enlightened as me, so there should be no ego problem here. The secret of enlightenment is there is no enlightenment.

This seems like a contradiction but actually it is just a definition. People define their own enlightenment. What I understand, the gifts I have been given, are totally different than yours, but no better and no worse. Everything is balanced, 50/50 in the universe. There is no authority other than your own understanding that can lead you to enlightenment. Nobody can tell you what it is. It has to be realized within, as cliché as that sounds.

The closer you get to love the closer you get to enlightenment. The paradox that I still can't figure out is, that it is all love, so how do you get close to it or understand it? How can you know what love is? The answer is judgement. Use your best judgement, in other words. Every moment involves a decision, you can go this way, or that way. Choose the greater wisdom, choose the greater over the lesser. In other words, do the right thing. Your judgement of what love is, is in fact your judgement. I don't believe in another judgement day, though God could easily prove me wrong on this one. We are judged here and now. There is no time in eternity, so there is no future day of judgement. Judgement day has already happened your existence as it is, is the result.

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Lightworker wrote:
Sheesh I can't keep up with all the posts here.

I like the way you think PrickKicker. I believe atheism is part of enlightenment. Being present in the moment is enlightenment, as far as I understand it. No promise of salvation. no mythology. Not knowing is enlightenment. It = sincerity. In that sense, you are just as enlightened as me, so there should be no ego problem here. The secret of enlightenment is there is no enlightenment.

This seems like a contradiction but actually it is just a definition. People define their own enlightenment. What I understand, the gifts I have been given, are totally different than yours, but no better and no worse. Everything is balanced, 50/50 in the universe. There is no authority other than your own understanding that can lead you to enlightenment. Nobody can tell you what it is. It has to be realized within, as cliché as that sounds.

The closer you get to love the closer you get to enlightenment. The paradox that I still can't figure out is, that it is all love, so how do you get close to it or understand it? How can you know what love is? The answer is judgement. Use your best judgement, in other words. Every moment involves a decision, you can go this way, or that way. Choose the greater wisdom, choose the greater over the lesser. In other words, do the right thing. Your judgement of what love is, is in fact your judgement. I don't believe in another judgement day, though God could easily prove me wrong on this one. We are judged here and now. There is no time in eternity, so there is no future day of judgement. Judgement day has already happened your existence as it is, is the result.

To know love is to know God.


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Well then I respect the fact that you have your own opinion, as long as you're not behind a corporate religion and try sell or feed your ego, by trying to convince others of magic and mysticism, then I wish you well.
& hope you find a site more suited to your quest.

Subgenius, you're still my nominee for the wooden-spoon award.
PrickKicker: I used to be a Narrow minded, short sighted, Lying, Racist, Homophobic, Pious, Moron. But they were all behavioral traits that I had learnt through Mormonism.
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PrickKicker wrote:Well then I respect the fact that you have your own opinion, as long as you're not behind a corporate religion and try sell or feed your ego, by trying to convince others of magic and mysticism, then I wish you well.
& hope you find a site more suited to your quest.

Subgenius, you're still my nominee for the wooden-spoon award.


I can't convince anybody of the reality of alchemy, magic, or mysticism, even if I know it has a reality. I don't sell it or push it on anyone, but I do like to defend my own view of it, as much as possible. If this doesn't convince, that is not my problem. I leave the convincing to what is commonly referred to as God, since that is the only way someone can really have a change of heart within.

I am a mystic and a student of magic and alchemy. I don't learn from books (at least that is a very small portion of my spiritual practice). I learn directly from the spirit world. Since I am mortal my knowledge is very limited but I do have some knowledge about what goes on "over there". To those who think the spirit world is imaginary, I will just be scoffed at, and I am ok with that.

The funny part is, the spirit world is imaginary to a degree. The realm of consciousness is the spirit realm. This includes the dream world and creative imagination. There is a connection between spirit and matter though (such as brain chemistry) and that is where the alchemy comes in. The truth I have discovered is there is in reality no separation between the spirit realm and the physical. As above, so below, or in other words, as on the inside, so on the outside, or to be more plain, the outer realm of what is perceived as physical matter and the inner realm of consciousness are made of the same substance, energy, which in some way that is beyond my mortal comprehension is a universal source of love. But all of this is going to be blah blah blah to a die hard atheist.

The way I look at magic is it doesn't exist. In other words, it is Reality itself. If it is in fact the ultimate Reality of existence, then that means that it is actually quite normal, and magic then becomes a semantic that doesn't seem appropriate. This being true though, that everything is magical and nothing is magical, that also means everything is miraculous and nothing is miraculous. So, the atheist seeking signs and wonders to prove the miracle or magic cannot see the forrest for the trees. They don't see the miracle in the mundane. A magician sees magic as nothing out of the ordinary, it is just the natural course of existence. The natural existence is illusion though (think Matrix) so this illusion can be manipulated and the "real world" changes. How is this done? Only God can do it. Who is God? You are. Find yourself and you find God.

I think Joseph Smith was a powerful magician, and prophet could also be an appropriate label. I don't quite have him figured out though. I respect him nonetheless, despite all his apparent deception and craziness.
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Lightworker wrote:I am a mystic and a student of magic and alchemy. I don't learn from books (at least that is a very small portion of my spiritual practice). I learn directly from the spirit world. Since I am mortal my knowledge is very limited but I do have some knowledge about what goes on "over there". To those who think the spirit world is imaginary, I will just be scoffed at, and I am ok with that.

The funny part is, the spirit world is imaginary to a degree. The realm of consciousness is the spirit realm. This includes the dream world and creative imagination. There is a connection between spirit and matter though (such as brain chemistry) and that is where the alchemy comes in. The truth I have discovered is there is in reality no separation between the spirit realm and the physical. As above, so below, or in other words, as on the inside, so on the outside, or to be more plain, the outer realm of what is perceived as physical matter and the inner realm of consciousness are made of the same substance, energy, which in some way that is beyond my mortal comprehension is a universal source of love. But all of this is going to be blah blah blah to a die hard atheist...


Can you provide us on here with a statement detailing your methodology, the irrefutable process that can be duplicated.
How is it you consider yourself a mystic. and student of alchemy through spiritual practice?
And tell us at least one thing you have learnt via this process?

Personally I have no interest in turning base metals into Gold. But understand that ancient civilizations through to the last of the Nephites must have used this process to make the Golden plates.
the term is referred to by Mo'pologists as 'Tumbaga.'

I understand that the process known as alchemy also creates phosphorus and therefore could have been used by the brother of Jared to light the barges.
The process can give off noxious fumes that can cause hallucinations.

Enlighten us on your understanding into Alchemy...

Otherwise it is, as you have eloquently put it, just blah,blah,blah...
PrickKicker: I used to be a Narrow minded, short sighted, Lying, Racist, Homophobic, Pious, Moron. But they were all behavioral traits that I had learnt through Mormonism.
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PrickKicker wrote:Subgenius, you're still my nominee for the wooden-spoon award.

I am flattered, but don't worry, it has become obvious that your consistent and dominant "winning" of that award is safe and assured.
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PrickKicker wrote:
Can you provide us on here with a statement detailing your methodology, the irrefutable process that can be duplicated.


Hmmmm. I have been thinking about this. My girlfriend and I (she channels spirits as well) have considered writing a book about it. I'm not sure I could summarize it, and I certainly don't think it can be duplicated because my experiences are unique. The experiences are given as a grace from the divine, not by my will or by my "works" like I said earlier quoting Jesus "the kingdom of heaven is not taken by force".

In short, I have had a serious illness which made me intimately familiar with death and allowed me to tap into spirit and be healed by spirits. It caused the collapse of my ego and the awakening of my kundalini. I am still not fully awake. I've been working on the crown chakra lately it needs to open further. How would this be replicated? It can be studied in other cultures, but I don't know if it would fit the scientific method. A scientist is not going to tell the spirits what to do. I certainly don't.

Other than the illness I meditate a lot and practice sacred sexuality. I haven't mastered the "sexual kung fu" quite yet but I am learning the importance of harmonizing the lower animal lusts, desires and instincts with the higher awareness of spirit. Basically, harmonizing the lower chakras with the higher. A master has control over all of this, fully animal, fully human, and fully spirit. I'm not sure I am qualified to teach on this though. I need more practice. I can only have so much sex due to my schedule, etc. lol.

Currently I am reading a book based on Mantak Chia's teachings that I am finding interesting. I watched a good video that sheds some light on it, it's a fairly good study: http://lostsecretofimmortality.com/the_movie.html
I know some people in the credits, and I helped promote it. I'm not so sure about all of the teachings, like the golden buddha embryo, but over all it seems well documented.
I had visions of these teachings before the movie came out, and the movie confirmed many of the visions that I had.

PrickKicker wrote:How is it you consider yourself a mystic. and student of alchemy through spiritual practice?
And tell us at least one thing you have learnt via this process?

Personally I have no interest in turning base metals into Gold. But understand that ancient civilizations through to the last of the Nephites must have used this process to make the Golden plates.
the term is referred to by Mo'pologists as 'Tumbaga.'


Tumbaga sounds hilarious! I'll have to check that one out. As for the lead into gold myth, well, that is how I look at it, it is a myth. I think it may be possible with high tech nuclear technology. This is not really relevant to the alchemy I am discussing other than the fact that the people who were attempting to do this studied magic. Also, to me gold is very symbolic of incorruptible purity. That is important. So, the process of turning base metals into gold is an alchemical symbol, of refining the dross unenlightened being and transmuting it into a sacred incorruptible immortal. The process of the kundalini awakening, in other words.

Do I believe in physical immortality? Not really. Sure, I think it may be possible. But this is more of the realization that life is eternal already. It always has been.

As for what I have learned. Another tricky one. I am just a lowly mortal here so when I think I have learned something, often times the spirits come to me and say that I have it all wrong, so I am hesitant to teach. That is why I preface everything with "I don't know anything".

What I do know is that spirits and mortals can interact. I see them in my third eye, hear them with my inner ear, feel their auras empathically, etc. It's like I have a full audio visual production going on inside when I turn inward and go into trance. They are shape shifters in the rainbow energy, they have no real form but can take any form to put on a show, however they have archetypal forms to identify them. Visions of the future happen. Physical healing happens. Telepathy happens. Spirits seem to be contagious, as some that I channel are channeled as well by those I come in contact with. What would you like to know about the spirit world? Be more specific and I'll see what Spirit allows me to explain. Some of the knowledge is sacred and not to be shared. It's reserved for when you break through the veil and are taught directly, I wouldn't want to spoil it.

PrickKicker wrote:I understand that the process known as alchemy also creates phosphorus and therefore could have been used by the brother of Jared to light the barges.
The process can give off noxious fumes that can cause hallucinations.


I don't believe in hallucinations. The hallucinatory world is real, just like this one, however it may be created entirely by the imagination. Just like the dream world. The thing is, other beings can also visit in this hallucinatory realm, including telepathic humans. I like to think of it as the astral realm. The spirits can communicate via a "hallucination" which is basically a transmission from their imagination into yours.


PrickKicker wrote:Enlighten us on your understanding into Alchemy...

Otherwise it is, as you have eloquently put it, just blah,blah,blah...


I can't do that in one sitting. I'll keep posting here though and see what I can do. I was on youtube and found a cool video on the subject that is closer to what I mean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ8TNCYtTV4
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This...
Lightworker wrote:I don't believe in hallucinations.

Seems to contradict this...
The hallucinatory world is real, just like this one, however it may be created entirely by the imagination. Just like the dream world. The thing is, other beings can also visit in this hallucinatory realm, including telepathic humans. I like to think of it as the astral realm. The spirits can communicate via a "hallucination" which is basically a transmission from their imagination into yours.


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