Debate #3

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Brackite wrote:Unfortunately, Barack Obama won the debate tonight. :sad:


Yes, but only if you listen to the words. When I pondered the TV screen, suddenly the face of Mitt Romney started to glow and lo his visage changed to that of Herbert Hoover. It was sort of a miracle.
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Even extreme liberal Martha Raddatz wouldn't give Obama the win today on the left wing friendly Charlie Rose show.
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moksha wrote:
Brackite wrote:Unfortunately, Barack Obama won the debate tonight. :sad:


Yes, but only if you listen to the words. When I pondered the TV screen, suddenly the face of Mitt Romney started to glow and lo his visage changed to that of Herbert Hoover. It was sort of a miracle.


I think you may be the funniest penguin alive...

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It's almost as if Obama had a plan for the debates, to get gradually better in performance finishing on a high, thereby making Romney look like he was getting gradually worse, running out of steam and ending on a low.
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Obama schooled Romney again, taking two out of three debates. CBS poll of indecided voters has 56% saying Obama won to Romney's 20%. By comparison 46% said Romney won the first debate with something like 25% saying Obama.

I loved the zinger about the size of our Navy.
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Schooled? Harley. Obama did do better. But as an incumbent who has not made too many major blunders on the foreign policy as well as got us put of an unpopular war he had the upper hand. All Romney had to do was show he was not off his rocker and going to employ cowboy diplomacy. He also had to show he had a grasp of world affairs. He did both.

By the way Obama's quip about the navy was rather foolish really. As one Marine pointed out Marines still use bayonets. Marines are part of the Navy. Perhaps the Commander on Cheif forgot about that.
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Jason Bourne wrote:Schooled? Harley. Obama did do better. But as an incumbent who has not made too many major blunders on the foreign policy as well as got us put of an unpopular war he had the upper hand. All Romney had to do was show he was not off his rocker and going to employ cowboy diplomacy. He also had to show he had a grasp of world affairs. He did both.

By the way Obama's quip about the navy was rather foolish really. As one Marine pointed out Marines still use bayonets. Marines are part of the Navy. Perhaps the Commander on Cheif forgot about that.


Jason, if Romney doesn't get into the White House will that be because of his religion or some other reason?
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Obama got out of Iraq by sticking to the pre-agreed withdrawal timetable that was negotiated under the Bush administration. The Obama administration tried to renege on that timetable and pushed the Iraqi government for a status of forces agreement that would've kept a substantial troop presence in Iraq. It's only because the Iraq government rejected that pressure that we withdrew our troops.

So Obama takes credit for getting out of Iraq and chides Romney for asserting he wanted troops in there now. When Romney ineffectually tries to point out that Obama tried to have troops too, Obama reiterates the same talking points. But, because of the attitude each person said their point with, that gets interpreted as a "win" for Obama.

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Jason he never said bayonets werent used. He said we have fewer. Did the point of his remark really escape you completely? It was purre genius as it clearly made Romney's complaint look foolish. He says we have fewer ships. So what? We also have the most advanced, superior Navy the world has ever seen, as Obama pointed out with reference to nuclear subs and aircraft carriers.
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Kevin Graham wrote:Jason he never said bayonets werent used. He said we have fewer. Did the point of his remark really escape you completely? It was purre genius as it clearly made Romney's complaint look foolish. He says we have fewer ships. So what? We also have the most advanced, superior Navy the world has ever seen, as Obama pointed out with reference to nuclear subs and aircraft carriers.


I thought I'd give my impressions, and this is as good a place to start as any.

My independent-minded wife said it was obvious to her that Romney lost the debate, and I agree that if I were scoring it as a debate, Obama won. But that really wasn't a debate last night, just as the other "debates" were nothing of the sort. My feeling was that the Romney campaign's primary goal was to show that Romney could discuss foreign policy without any major gaffes and show that he knew something about the subject. Seems to me he accomplished that. Either way, I don't think this debate will affect the trajectory of the campaign. Most undecided voters were probably watching baseball last night.

A few specific things I noticed:

1. The Obama campaign had been planning to attack Romney as having flip-flopped on China because of a 2007 video of him saying we could work with China as friends and partners, so long as they followed the rules. Last night Romney repeated that statement, almost verbatim, and Obama not only didn't challenge him on it but agreed with him. That line of attack would seem to be blunted.

2. The "bayonets" line may have scored a debate point, but voters in Virginia are not going to be happy with a president who says building ships isn't a priority.

3. I have to give the Obama administration kudos for finally getting sanctions against Iran that are having some devastating effects. Obama is right that it was a complicated process to get agreement, even with Russia and China, and it is a major foreign-policy accomplishment.

4. My wife said that Obama came across as prickly and condescending. Apparently she wasn't the only person who thought that.

5. I didn't learn much new from either one, though I was pleasantly surprised that Romney said we ought to focus on our relations with Latin America, which we have ignored for as long as I can remember. Brazil and Mexico are strong, emerging economies, and we have ignored both, except in terms of drug trafficking.

In short, clearly Obama had the advantage in terms of knowledge and policy. But Romney did not embarrass himself and appeared like he belonged on the stage. From that perspective, both campaigns are probably happy.
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