Mktavish wrote:I hope you know I was just trying to be funny here as I was attempting in this thread.
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But clearly I didn't succeed if you skip to the last comment by Tobin.
Mktavish wrote:O my garsh captain ... its a Tobin ... Try all hailing frequencies ... no response captain , they must have communicators turned off. Fire a warning shot accross his bow ... shhhhpluuuuu ... no effect captain they must have anti reason sheilds.
Prepare the photon torpedo ... Locked in and tracking captain ... Fire ... choo choo choo KBlamy
the crew recovers from the flash and refocuses their vision
Holy guacamole captain , no effect !
Hmmm the captain says , Tobin must be one of the Q
Just then Shades beems aboard the bridge
Shades says "I'm terribly sorry captain but my pet hamster seems to have escaped , let me put him back in his cage"
After many appologies and a righteous scolding to the panda hamster , Shades disapears with Tobin in tow
Shall we set destination for the Talkalotasmak sector Captain?
Make it so
Tobin wrote:We'll see. You will die eventually Mktavish and meet God. It is inevitable. Believe whatever you want till then if you must.
Yeah, I see what you mean. Don't worry, the poor guy is sick in his head and likes to threaten people who don't take him seriously.
The old temporal lobe problem, dontcha' know ... Oh yes, and the thing with the pandas too, but let's not go into that.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Also another article from the Daily Beast on the double standards in terms of the way Obama was treated, and how Romney's background has been played down.
It has only been 34 years since church headquarters lifted the Mormon priesthood ban that barred black men from holding the priesthood and denied black women temple marriages, hardly enough time to unlearn an entire generation of white racist thinking and understanding about black people, especially given church headquarters has yet to offer up any rational explanation why such a ban existed in the first place. Instead, what is typically articulated from white Mormons and “bright” Mormons (socially-white people of color) for that matter when questions of race arise in the public domain is, “only the Lord knows why Blacks could not hold the priesthood.” Thus, we have an idea where the Church stands today. And further, we know where George Romney stood. But what we all want to know is, what is your position, Mitt?
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"It's a little like the Confederate Constitution guaranteeing the freedom to own slaves. Irony doesn't exist for bigots or fanatics." Maksutov
Imagine further that backing this racist church was not a youthful folly on Obama's part, but a profound commitment - that he went on a mission abroad to convert Christians to a new religion based on black racial supremacy, and has often said that the most important thing in his entire life to this day is a church whose sacred scripture declares white people to be cursed by God for their past sins - and the sign of this curse is their white skin.
A simple question: Do you think this issue would not come up in a general election or a primary?
My bold.
Great points in both articles. I really hope this issue 'doesn't go away.
"It's a little like the Confederate Constitution guaranteeing the freedom to own slaves. Irony doesn't exist for bigots or fanatics." Maksutov
Imagine further that backing this racist church was not a youthful folly on Obama's part, but a profound commitment - that he went on a mission abroad to convert Christians to a new religion based on black racial supremacy, and has often said that the most important thing in his entire life to this day is a church whose sacred scripture declares white people to be cursed by God for their past sins - and the sign of this curse is their white skin.
A simple question: Do you think this issue would not come up in a general election or a primary?
My bold.
Great points in both articles. I really hope this issue 'doesn't go away.
The american public really doesn't care about someone's faith and what that faith claimed in the past. It is a non-issue. Mormons are not known to be racist and the LDS church does not teach racism. Maybe you are not quite getting it. Do you think that the LDS church is the only church with a past? The protestants wouldn't fare very well either and neither would the catholics or the jews. Or the muslims. And so what would be the point?
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
why me wrote: The american public really doesn't care about someone's faith and what that faith claimed in the past. It is a non-issue. Mormons are not known to be racist and the LDS church does not teach racism. Maybe you are not quite getting it. Do you think that the LDS church is the only church with a past? The protestants wouldn't fare very well either and neither would the catholics or the jews. Or the muslims. And so what would be the point?
Wasn't that the point of that article Why Me? Mitt seems to be getting somewhat of a free pass, whereas Obama didn't.
Not really. Pastor Wright was preaching god damn america speeches right up to the end with Obama in the audience. He was obama's pastor and friend and obama supported him.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
why me wrote:Mormons are not known to be racist and the LDS church does not teach racism. Maybe you are not quite getting it. Do you think that the LDS church is the only church with a past? The protestants wouldn't fare very well either and neither would the catholics or the jews. Or the muslims. And so what would be the point?
The truth claims of the LDS Church are dependent on its leaders being inspired prophets and apostles of God. Other churches are not faced with that problem. So either God really was behind the priesthood ban, which the First Presidency explicitly stated, or the Bretheren are just making things up, or they can't tell the difference between their own ideas and inspiration from God.
The first option allows the Church to be true under the terms the Church has set for itself. The latter two do not. Please decide which option you are going with and stick with it.
Also, how is it going finding that source from the Church itself that says the dark skin of the Lamanites was only symbolic?
why me wrote:Pastor Wright was preaching god damn america speeches right up to the end with Obama in the audience. He was obama's pastor and friend and obama supported him.
Did Barrack Obama spend two years in France telling people to join a church that officially taught that one specific race was categorically unworthy of the priesthood because of something the members of that race did before they were born? Or was it just Mitt Romney who did that?