Darth J wrote: As shown, inter alia, by her testimony of the sacred truth of plural marriage.
As a side note, Why Me, why didn't Emma stay with the Brighamite branch of Mormonism, given that belief in the Book of Mormon necessitates belief in the LDS Church?
Watching some people defend Joseph Smith reminds me of the scene in "Life of Brian" where he is trying to persuade the mob following him he is not the 'Christ". No matter what he says or does they see it as evidence of his divinity. (The Mob)"The true Christ will always deny he is Christ." (Brian)"Okay. I am Christ then!" (The Mob)"See!!!! He is the Chosen one!!!!".
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
Definitely agree fraud or prophet it's interesting exploring his memory, if it really was that legendary.
I remember learning in Latin class that lawyers needed to actually memorize all the Roman laws word for word, and students had to memorize extraordinarily long documents (maybe their constitution or traditions, fables, don't remember).
You can do a google search on ancient roman memorization techniques, there's plenty of studies on it. Back then memory was probably a lot more important before google and mobile phones.
When access to books and literacy are limited, memory skills become paramount. In a non-literate society, a person who knows oral history will automatically be highly respected.
Huckelberry said: I see the order and harmony to be the very image of God which smiles upon us each morning as we awake.
Darth J wrote: As a side note, Why Me, why didn't Emma stay with the Brighamite branch of Mormonism, given that belief in the Book of Mormon necessitates belief in the LDS Church?
Two reasons: polygamy and exhaustion. Exhaustion from all the hurt that was caused her by the persecution and by the murder of her husband and brother in law. But she still continued to teach from the Book of Mormon and never lost faith that her husband was a prophet.
In an interview with her sons a few months before she died, Emma bore testimony: “My belief is that the Book of Mormon is of divine authenticity. I have not the slightest doubt of it. … Though I was an active participant in the scenes that transpired, and was present during the translation of the plates … and had cognizance of things as they transpired, it is marvelous to me, ‘a marvel and a wonder,’ as much as to anyone else.” Describing her experience, she said: “The plates often lay on the table without any attempt at concealment, wrapped in a small linen tablecloth which I had given him [Joseph] to fold them in. I once felt the plates as they lay on the table, tracing their outline and shape. They seemed to be pliable like thick paper, and would rustle with a metallic sound when the edges were moved by the thumb, as one does sometimes thumb the edges of a book.” She also testified, “I know Mormonism to be the truth; and believe the church to have been established by divine direction.”
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I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
SteelHead wrote:And BY's accusations that Emma tried to poison Joseph are...?
Who knows. True or false? Much was said in the heat of the moment on both sides.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Darth J wrote: As a side note, Why Me, why didn't Emma stay with the Brighamite branch of Mormonism, given that belief in the Book of Mormon necessitates belief in the LDS Church?
Two reasons: polygamy and exhaustion. Exhaustion from all the hurt that was caused her by the persecution and by the murder of her husband and brother in law. But she still continued to teach from the Book of Mormon and never lost faith that her husband was a prophet.
If she never lost faith that her husband was a prophet, why did she reject plural marriage, which was revealed by the Lord?
And if the reason the Saints were persecuted was because of their faith in the Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith's prophetic mission, why didn't Emma reject these things to alleviate the exhaustion she felt from being persecuted for them?
SteelHead wrote:And BY's accusations that Emma tried to poison Joseph are...?
Who knows. True or false? Much was said in the heat of the moment on both sides.
Years later, hundreds of miles away, in a talk in the Salt Lake Tabernacle, in which Brigham Young purported to be speaking as a prophet in the name of Jesus Christ, is "in the heat of the moment."
Your reasoning is like a well-oiled steel trap, Why Me. Please go on.
MCB wrote:When access to books and literacy are limited, memory skills become paramount. In a non-literate society, a person who knows oral history will automatically be highly respected.
Yes, except it doesn't seem likely that joseph memorized Moroni, Alma etc. Where would he memorize it from? And how to stick his head in a hat and do it seems quite amazing. And emma, certainly no smuck believed her husband to be a prophet to the end of her life... That Emma maintained a lifelong commitment to Joseph as a prophet and to the authenticity of the Book of Mormon is well documented. The Relief Society minutes for March 1844 show her reasoning: “If he [Joseph Smith] was a prophet, which he is, … ,” Emma said. Long years later, Emma said to Parley P. Pratt, who visited her in Nauvoo, “I believe he [Joseph] was everything he professed to be.” 17
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith