A Curious Phone Call from the LDS Church

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_consiglieri
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Re: A Curious Phone Call from the LDS Church

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I just called my daughter and told her Salt Lake was coming after her.

She laughed.

I assured her I wouldn't give her up.

She said she has people from the church dropping by from time to time to "check up" on her; that she is always nice to them when they do.

But she said her boyfriend isn't usually so nice.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

P.S. I agree it is doubtless well-intentioned, but there is something about it that makes me a little uncomfortable.
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Re: A Curious Phone Call from the LDS Church

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I think individual membership records are the hot potato of all ward clerks (I was a ward clerk). In theory, all members of the church should have their records keep by the ward clerk of their home ward.

As ward clerk, if I'm reporting active attendance numbers based on all my records, I want rid of those records where members have moved. First level is for the ward clerk to forward the records to the ward someone is moving to, assuming they know this information of course. Otherwise, off to the unassigned to unit pile, which is where some group in the ivory tower spend their days trying to find a home ward to assign them to.

It would be fascinating to know just how many members are in this pile at this time.
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consiglieri wrote:My daughter is not active.

Who do you think would initiate such an investigation?

In other words, who is it who knows she is not active?

Might this be the bishop in her ward or the ward clerk?

Do they then put up a smoke signal to Salt Lake City to do a search and destroy?


This is called 'The Rescue'.

The Church has a database which it can filter by name, area, date of birth etc.
They are using this list and cross referencing against members who do not/have not for some time, held or used a Temple Recommend.
This produces a list of 'targets' which are distributed to teams (usually co-ordinated by Mission Presidents) who then try and track down these individual lost sheep. The current target group is those people in the young single adult group. As well as the door knocking approach, a 'telesales' operation is active (which you were on the receiving end of) on a local and COB basis.

Ehm...allegedly...
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I got a letter from VT's ( a lovely letter actually). The puzzling thing was that I had moved over 6 years ago, and as far as I know, no-one knew my new address. When I spoke about this on another chat board, someone did a search on my (rather unusual) surname and got my address almost immediately.
Ouch...
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Mary wrote:I got a letter from VT's ( a lovely letter actually). The puzzling thing was that I had moved over 6 years ago, and as far as I know, no-one knew my new address. When I spoke about this on another chat board, someone did a search on my (rather unusual) surname and got my address almost immediately.
Ouch...


Well, there aren't many Quite-Contrary's in the phone book!
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This used to happen to my parents in the late 70's/early 80's after I moved out and was living on my own. I was still living in SLC and was inactive, but I'd been inactive for a long time before I moved out of my, also inactive, parent's home/ward. I always assumed this was the result of the church's regular tracking processes, whatever they were, and wasn't because someone had "ratted me out." There were no relatives or friends in my family/social circle who would be concerned with such things.

After I moved cross country, I don't think my parents got these calls anymore. At least they never mentioned them to me if they did.

I had absolutely no contact until 2003 when two teenaged looking "elders" came to my door on Long Island "looking for me" (my landlady's words were, "some people from your church were here looking for you.") It was pretty surprising, given that it was over 30 years and several states and addresses since I had attended any church meeting. Again, I didn't ascribe it to involvement by any family members. Their visit did have a rather strange coincidence to it, though, as it came on the heels of my first few exploratory weeks on online exmormon message boards.
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Blixa wrote:This used to happen to my parents in the late 70's/early 80's after I moved out and was living on my own. I was still living in Salt Lake City and was inactive, but I'd been inactive for a long time before I moved out of my, also inactive, parent's home/ward.


Interesting note that I was baptized in your parent's ward and spent pretty much my entire Mormon years there.

One very small cog dis moment for me was when I first met the Bishop back in 1986. In his office he had a wall dedicated to every house in the ward. He had printed name tags to track everyone.

This same Bishop became the SP. He later married my wife and I in his office at the Pagoda on 45th. He didn't even get up from behind his desk. He just grilled us about "this life only" and then signed the marriage paper.
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They want to find where to send her records.

I've gotten this type of call before.
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If this is true, or to be more specific, if it's true there is an increased missionary effort here and the missionary age revelation is part of it, then we can infer that the City Creek investment has become a losing bet, and leaders must focus on what was once their core business. Perhaps they see Romney as a catalyst for some better projections in religious-generated dollars. I would be willing to bet good money that if God would have told Church leaders where the bottom of the real estate market was and they had invested in City Creek then, that none of this would be happening. It's not just that revenues from the cash cow would make squeezing the stone absurd, but with huge revenue streams would come infinitely more work planning a continued real estate expansion effort. There would be no time.
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Re: A Curious Phone Call from the LDS Church

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Infymus wrote:
Blixa wrote:This used to happen to my parents in the late 70's/early 80's after I moved out and was living on my own. I was still living in Salt Lake City and was inactive, but I'd been inactive for a long time before I moved out of my, also inactive, parent's home/ward.


Interesting note that I was baptized in your parent's ward and spent pretty much my entire Mormon years there.

One very small cog dis moment for me was when I first met the Bishop back in 1986. In his office he had a wall dedicated to every house in the ward. He had printed name tags to track everyone.

This same Bishop became the SP. He later married my wife and I in his office at the Pagoda on 45th. He didn't even get up from behind his desk. He just grilled us about "this life only" and then signed the marriage paper.


Lol @ the Pagoda on 45th.

I wonder if you ever saw/knew about the polygamists that lived in the house across the street from my parents in the early-to-mid 80's? If I recall correctly, they didn't stay long, less than two years or so. A couple of wives mostly lived there.
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