Cast your vote...

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Stormy Waters wrote:
So what if some value their family relationships more than their belief that Mormonism is false? And how are we supposed to lay down our lives for the belief that Mormonism isn't true?


Okay, so you said in two sentences what it took me more than 5 short paragraphs to say.

Somehow I doubt if Ray gets it, no matter how it is explained to him.
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Re: Cast your vote...

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DrW wrote:MM,

Did you tell your wife about this request?

Yes

If so, what does she think?

That I should turn it down.

If you are going to be in Church anyway to support your family, why not?

They wouldn't want to hear what I would want to teach.
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Re: Cast your vote...

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DrW wrote:
Stormy Waters wrote:
So what if some value their family relationships more than their belief that Mormonism is false? And how are we supposed to lay down our lives for the belief that Mormonism isn't true?


Okay, so you said in two sentences what it took me more than 5 short paragraphs to say.

Somehow I doubt if Ray gets it, no matter how it is explained to him.


Well, I enjoyed reading both comments. :)
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Re: Cast your vote...

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Mortal Man wrote:
DrW wrote:MM,

Did you tell your wife about this request?

Yes

If so, what does she think?

That I should turn it down.

If you are going to be in Church anyway to support your family, why not?

They wouldn't want to hear what I would want to teach.


Problem solved.

If your wife thinks you should turn it down - then turn it down.

(And just think how happy Ray will be with this decision.)
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Re: Cast your vote...

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Stormy Waters wrote:So what if some value their family relationships more than their belief that Mormonism is false? And how are we supposed to lay down our lives for the belief that Mormonism isn't true?


If you passionately believe that Mormonism is a false religion, and that those embracing it are seriously deluded, then it should be your duty to declare it from the rooftops.

Hypothetically, if you knew that people were drinking poisoned water from an infected dam owned by your family, would you hesitate warning potential victims by saying, "I don't want to offend my family"?
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MM, I think you should turn it down. YAY!
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Re: Cast your vote...

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RayAgostini wrote:
Mortal Man wrote:I'd be more than happy to do that, were it not for my family.


Do you hold the courage of your convictions? Why is it that exmos or unbelievers always feel they have to tread "softly, softly"? So as not to upset the apple cart. Still harbouring some "reservations"? Think that religion is good for society? Why the secrecy? Why the double persona?

You're worried about what your family may think?

You're not willing to put your whole soul into your disbelief?

Like the believers who are willing to lay down life and limb for their beliefs.

Oh, I forget. You call that "fanaticism".


Hi Ray, how's it going with your courage of your convictions, back at Church yet?
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Re: Cast your vote...

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RayAgostini wrote:
Stormy Waters wrote:So what if some value their family relationships more than their belief that Mormonism is false? And how are we supposed to lay down our lives for the belief that Mormonism isn't true?


If you passionately believe that Mormonism is a false religion, and that those embracing it are seriously deluded, then it should be your duty to declare it from the rooftops.

Hypothetically, if you knew that people were drinking poisoned water from an infected dam owned by your family, would you hesitate warning potential victims by saying, "I don't want to offend my family"?


Why not just let Google do its thing? Much more efficient, in my opinion.

Ray, have you ever tried to help someone who just didn't want to be helped?
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DrW wrote:You see Ray, belief is not the problem. What one does believe in does not matter. It is the lack of belief, in one of the monumental religious scams of all time, that is the problem.


Tell me you don't teach Gospel Doctrine, and that you'd never accept a call to teach Gospel Doctrine.
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Re: Cast your vote...

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Drifting wrote:Hi Ray, how's it going with your courage of your convictions, back at Church yet?


No, I'm not back at church. But unlike you, I don't crap on it.
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