Did Joseph Smith claim he was descended from Jesus?

[_Kishkumen]

It was my understanding that Joseph Smith did not teach this idea of his descent from Jesus. I never said he did. What I had read is that this entered Mormonism in the late nineteenth century along with British Israelism. I think we can understand why that might have become popular in Brighamite Mormonism after the exodus to the Salt Lake Valley.

[Guest]

It was my understanding that Joseph Smith did not teach this idea of his descent from Jesus. I never said he did. What I had read is that this entered Mormonism in the late nineteenth century along with British Israelism. I think we can understand why that might have become popular in Brighamite Mormonism after the exodus to the Salt Lake Valley.

I agree. I found 2 more references to Joseph Smith the rest are to other leaders. But none are from Joseph Smith. BY, Heber C., Cannon and Snow is who it is grouping around. I'll remember to put in the dates when I post again.

That the UT apostles were descended from Jesus, even though they thought Joseph Smith was too, would certainly add to their authority claims. (Posssibly added while Kish was posting below): And of course, there were alot of British converts.

I'll try to get the rest of it up tomorrow.

@MCB, I'm surprised that there will be a 2nd printing. It's a little out there. But then I'm not your typical Mormon.

[_Kishkumen]

There is also the fact that many of the saints who crossed the plains were British converts.

[_MCB]

http://archive.org/details/HolyBloodholyGrail

You are not typical, that is why we love you so.

[_SteelHead]

Was there no tacit acknowledgment of his lineage when he had himself set apart and ordained as king of the world?

[_MCB]

Was there no tacit acknowledgment of his lineage when he had himself set apart and ordained as king of the world?

All implied, apparently. Even his crowning was hidden. They were moving into a very slippery slope.

[_lulu]

Was there no tacit acknowledgment of his lineage when he had himself set apart and ordained as king of the world?

Swanson uses that as part of his circumstantial evidence, Joseph Smith as hereditary king. But he's way short on direct evidence.

He also has a little on J. Taylor being annointed king.

[_MCB]

He also has a little on J. Taylor being annointed king.

Do you have time to transcribe any particularly important passages?

[_lulu]

He also has a little on J. Taylor being annointed king.

Do you have time to transcribe any particularly important passages?

I'll keep trying to post snipets trying to finish up with Joseph Smith first.

These are about Joseph Smith and should have been in my prior post:

"In 1859 Brigham Young said as much: "Hidden in the blood of many LDS runs the blood of Israel from numberious directions, including that of the Savior. But it is specifically through the divine blood-right of Christ through Joseph Smith Jr. that all members of the Church are lawful heirs of the promise." 345, citing Journal of Discourses (9 October 1859) 7:290.

"Victor L. Ludlow is the only contemporary official LDS scholar to mention how the linage came to the Prophet. Ludlow noted that there were occasions "when a number of the brethren, including Joseph Smith, claimed that they shared lineage with Jesus in the tribe of Judah." 375 citing Ludlow, Issiah 172.

I don't have a copy of Ludlow so I can't say whether or what his primary source was. Perhaps a board member can fill us in.

[_MCB]

This interpretation requires that we accept the revealed truth that Joseph Smith was both a descendant of Joseph of Egypt and a descendant of Jesse (or of the tribe of Judah). Victor Ludlow explains:



“The Book of Mormon contains an important prophecy about a descendant of the ancient Joseph who would also be named Joseph and who would do a great work of salvation among the Israelites to bring them to the knowledge of God’s covenants in the last days. (2 Ne. 3:6-11, 14-15.) Joseph Smith, Jr., is this Joseph. His patriarchal blessing identifies him as the heir to the promises of Ephraim (son of the ancient Joseph), and he is called a pure Ephraimite by Brigham Young. (DS 3:250-54; WTP, pp. 125-27)



“There is not the same recorded evidence of Joseph Smith being a descendant of Jesse through the tribe of Judah. However, there were occasions in earlier Church history when a number of the brethren, including Joseph Smith, claimed that they shared lineage with Jesus in the tribe of Judah. (See Life of Heber C. Kimball [1988], p. 185; JD 4:248; Journal of President Rudger Clawson, pp. 374-75; Ivins Journal, p. 21.)



“In short, Joseph Smith fulfills the requirements as a descendant of Joseph through his son Ephraim. He was also a descendant of Judah through Jesse, and he may have descended through the same lineage as Jesus.” (Isaiah: Prophet, Seer, and Poet, by Victor L. Ludlow, p. 172)

http://josephsmith.com/Book_of_Mormon/Commentary/2Nephi21.htm

Clay Gorton in "Legacy...." does nothing with 2 Nephi 21.