How Much Was DCP Paid to Edit the "Review"?

[_Jason Bourne]

Sorry all. But I view this constant harangue about the man pathetic. Hate me for it if you wish but that is how I see it.

[_sock puppet]

Sorry all. But I view this constant harangue about the man pathetic. Hate me for it if you wish but that is how I see it.

No hate for you here, Jason.

The man seems not to have tired of mixing it up online. He keeps sticking his neck out. If it's pathetic, it is because he can no longer help himself, and he no longer has the chutzpah to defend himself adequately. That is, either he feeds off of the 'constant harangue' or no longer has the self-restraint to lower his profile, and the target.

[_RockSlider]

or no longer has the self-restraint to lower his profile, and the target.

QFT

[_Doctor Scratch]

Sorry all. But I view this constant harangue about the man pathetic. Hate me for it if you wish but that is how I see it.

You know, Jason: I told one of my better friends here a month or two ago that I thought I would be hanging it up. The Mopologists had been kicked out of the MI, and they have been reduced, essentially, to being nothing more than Internet cranks. But the fact remains that Dan and Co. are still doing the same rotten things that they've been doing for over 30 years. Is *that* pathetic? You've really got to realize that they think you are human trash. They won't say that to you if they think it'll benefit their cause in some way, but at base, that's what they think. There is literally no way that you can logically reconcile who you are, what your stance is vis-a-vis the LDS Church, and what Dan Peterson, Will Schryver, Bill Hamblin, Greg Smith, and the rest of this crew have said and done about "NOM-ish"-type people such as yourself. They don't like you: they think you're eating the Church alive from the inside out.

I certainly don't "hate" you for feeling bad for a guy that helped you when you were in a vulnerable spot, but I think some perspective is in order here. If he were to stop the blogging, and quit the Editorial Board at the Mormon Review, none of this would be happening.

[_DrW]

Sorry all. But I view this constant harangue about the man pathetic. Hate me for it if you wish but that is how I see it.

Jason,

DCP works hard to portray himself as an innocent victim. And he is very good at it. He is not innocent. And any victimhood that may have accrued to him is at his own open and sure invitation.

Let me ask you this:

What if Richard (conception from rape is God's will) Mourdock started a blog that claimed to your daughter or granddaughter that, should she become pregnant as a result of rape, it would be God's will for her? What if thereafter, he continued to blog his racist, homophobic, anti-science views, wearing the mantle of a political leader (earned or not).

Would you not feel it your obligation to try to counter these claims in the public forum in which they were made by voicing your opposition to such vile fundamentalism and stating the reasons why?

My daughters and granddaughters spend a lot of time (more than I would like, anyway) on LDS Church related websites. As a parent and grandparent, I owe it to them to counter the illogical, anti-intellectual, anti-science, anti-humanistic drivel they see and read there by injecting a bit of reality and a few facts into the mix, where possible.

As the good Dr. has indicated, so long as DCP keeps dishing out the misinformation (there were 120 witnesses to the transfiguration of Brigham Young) and trying to convince people who are doubting to continue to participate in, and financially support, the most monumental religious scam of modern times, those who understand DCP's mission and methods for what they are, and do not support them, have the right (and some would say the obligation) to oppose him by any legal means available.

As Stak mentioned, Dr. Bradford did the Church a real service by forcing DCP out of (the real) MI.

And don't kid yourself, the tireless efforts of Dr. Scratch "on DCP's behalf" (although unappreciated by DCP) played no small role in achieving this important milestone.

In my view, by exposing and opposing DCP and the Mopologetics enterprise in general, Dr. Scratch is doing everyone a big favor, including the LDS Church. By his recent actions, it appears that Gerald Bradford agrees.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Jason,

You're defending a man who just outed someone's in real life identity on his vendetta-blog, based on a hunch by a crackpot that it was Dr. Scratch, and he was wrong. This is the kind of man who you claim is being harassed, but has no issues to demand a public denial from an innocent in order to stop himself from publicly harassing said innocent. Additionally, instead of owning his actions like a Saint, and sincerely and publicly apologizing he offers up a crappy mea culpa coupled with another veiled threat, and then ultimately deletes his two posts hoping they'll just go away.

As long as he continues this kind of nonsense, and publicly represents himself as a Mormon, a BYU employee, and a representative of Jesus Christ I think he's fair game to be exposed.

V/R
Doc Cam

[_Jason Bourne]

You know, Jason: I told one of my better friends here a month or two ago that I thought I would be hanging it up. The Mopologists had been kicked out of the MI, and they have been reduced, essentially, to being nothing more than Internet cranks. But the fact remains that Dan and Co. are still doing the same rotten things that they've been doing for over 30 years. Is *that* pathetic? You've really got to realize that they think you are human trash. They won't say that to you if they think it'll benefit their cause in some way, but at base, that's what they think. There is literally no way that you can logically reconcile who you are, what your stance is vis-à-vis the LDS Church, and what Dan Peterson, Will Schryver, Bill Hamblin, Greg Smith, and the rest of this crew have said and done about "NOM-ish"-type people such as yourself. They don't like you: they think you're eating the Church alive from the inside out.

I certainly don't "hate" you for feeling bad for a guy that helped you when you were in a vulnerable spot, but I think some perspective is in order here. If he were to stop the blogging, and quit the Editorial Board at the Mormon Review, none of this would be happening.

Scratch I do not know Bill Hamblin but what little interaction, and it is very little, I have had with him, it does seem that his view of me would be pretty low. Will Schryver, sure he thinks I am scum but I don't have a high opinion of him either. As for Dan, well I know him and even now I have no doubt were I interested in meeting face to face he would be willing to do so and be very caring and kind. He has never treated me any other way that I am aware of. But sure, I know even Dan is not a fan of the NOMish position.

[_Yoda]

Sorry all. But I view this constant harangue about the man pathetic. Hate me for it if you wish but that is how I see it.

You know, Jason: I told one of my better friends here a month or two ago that I thought I would be hanging it up. The Mopologists had been kicked out of the MI, and they have been reduced, essentially, to being nothing more than Internet cranks. But the fact remains that Dan and Co. are still doing the same rotten things that they've been doing for over 30 years. Is *that* pathetic? You've really got to realize that they think you are human trash. They won't say that to you if they think it'll benefit their cause in some way, but at base, that's what they think. There is literally no way that you can logically reconcile who you are, what your stance is vis-a-vis the LDS Church, and what Dan Peterson, Will Schryver, Bill Hamblin, Greg Smith, and the rest of this crew have said and done about "NOM-ish"-type people such as yourself. They don't like you: they think you're eating the Church alive from the inside out.

I certainly don't "hate" you for feeling bad for a guy that helped you when you were in a vulnerable spot, but I think some perspective is in order here. If he were to stop the blogging, and quit the Editorial Board at the Mormon Review, none of this would be happening.

So in order for you to cease your harrassment of Dan, he would have to completely disappear from all apologetic projects, is that it?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

So in order for you to cease your harrassment of Dan, he would have to completely disappear from all apologetic projects, is that it?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Dr. Scratch's beef with Mr. Peterson is the mopologetic tactic of attacking people and not simply sticking to doctrinal apologia?

V/R
Dr. Cam

[_Yoda]

So in order for you to cease your harrassment of Dan, he would have to completely disappear from all apologetic projects, is that it?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Dr. Scratch's beef with Mr. Peterson is the mopologetic tactic of attacking people and not simply sticking to doctrinal apologia?

V/R
Dr. Cam

That is what I thought it was. If that is the case, what is he servng by continuing to attack him when Dan is not in any type of real power or position to forward that kind of behavior?

To me, this just seems like unnecessary gloating, and the rehashing of old issues.