Metal Music and the Loss of Faith

[_Everybody Wang Chung]

Speaking of underrated German musical acts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rH80nNixmE

[_Tchild]

Nightlion - "loss of faith" in the case of Mormonism has nothing to do with "metal" and everything to do with the simple fact that Mormonism ain't true.

Why blame Metal music, when Mormonism has all the flaws necessary for a person to "lose faith" in it all by itself?

[_CaliforniaKid]

Hi Nightlion,

I don't listen to metal music. I don't like it, and it disturbs my calm. I don't believe music can be "Satanic," but I certainly do believe in the power of positive thinking and the power of music to influence people. I put together a little list of some of my favorite positive-thinking songs a while back, which you can read here. There's also some research that shows classical music has beneficial effects for brain development. Lately I've become a great fan of artists like Lindsey Sterling and David Garrett who mix classical instrumentation with modern musical styles. Lindsey is one of the most talented artists I've ever seen, and David has awesome, non-BYU-approved hair.

[_moksha]

I am not saying simply hearing a song by AC/DC or Black Sabbath or whatever is/was hip is devil worship. Attending the concert........probably........... if you give yourself over to the moment heartily.

I knew something was wrong the minute I listened to drum solo on the long version of Ina Goda da Vida. Oops, my age is showing.

"Oh sages standing in that Satanic Fire,
Pern in a Gyre
and be the electric guitarists for my sole.
Take my heart away sick with desire
and lead me to Mormon Discussions."

[_Molok]

I think the most interesting thing about heavy metal is that it is, essentially, classical music. Odd time signatures and tempos, multiple complementing melodies, virtuoso level talent, grandiose delivery, it has it all.

[_GR33N]

\m/ I'm a TBM and a TBM \m/

[_sock puppet]

I think the most interesting thing about heavy metal is that it is, essentially, classical music. Odd time signatures and tempos, multiple complementing melodies, virtuoso level talent, grandiose delivery, it has it all.

About a year ago, there was an experiment by a NYC musician. He took a pop song and slowed it down to the pace of classical music, and started peddling it around. The result: it was being heralded as a great new piece of classical-style music, and its actual source as a pop hit went undetected until the musician 'spilled the beans' and explained what he had done.

So, Molok, I think you are on to something. Those that appreciate classical music simply prefer slow to fast tempo, it would seem.

In essence, fast tempo is what kills CK's calm.

[_Molok]

In essence, fast tempo is what kills CK's calm.

In all fairness, you don't hear a lot of classical with double bass, detuned / distorted guitars, and screaming vocalists, so there could be more than that killing CK's calm. There's so many different kinds of metal bands out there that just saying "heavy metal" might not be specific enough.

Limp Bizkit certainly has nothing in common with classical music, but looking at the groups that made metal popular, like Led Zeppelin, it's much easier to see the connections. The live version of Stairway to Heaven is classical guitar all the way. Modern bands like Dragonforce (lol) also have an obvious connection to classical music.

[_Nightlion]

My first Pearl Jam concert contributed to my loss of faith, though it took many years.

I had what can only be described as a religious experience there that was so elevating only one church-related experience of the many I've had could compare. I thought about that for years as an active member, wondering why or how this could happen? Some of the answers I found and even accepted for a while are kin to Nightlion's OP. But that didn't stand up when I really thought about it deeply. It was a sense of pure love, of oneness with everyone in a stadium too large to be able to know even a small percentage of those present. It was deifying and made me want to be a better person by exposing me to that better side of myself already there inside. It was everything good, beautiful, and true that I could aspire to be part of.

Because I could no more deny this experience than any of my church-based ones, it ended up contributing to my leaving. One of the hardest parts of leaving for me was getting over the Mormon-defined experiences of feeling the church was true. Of feeling the Book of Mormon was of God. Of feeling that the priesthood had been restored to the earth, that I was part of an eternal family. This experience outside of the accepted settings for when spiritual experiences should occur forced me to be critical of these experiences in a way I may not have been able to have been without it. Once I rejected the metaphysical "Mormon" narrative of "why" these feelings happened, I could make sense of this experience even if I won't say I consider it easy to explain from a biological or "rational" perspective either. But whatever it is, it's germ is in the essense of what it means to be human and alive.

I understand why religious minded people see something imitative and evil in secular music. In some ways I can see how it's one of many ways religious socializing seeks to tame the primitive in us. And music does get to the primitive inside of us. That's not always good, either. But it's real. I'm all for real these days.

You simply switched from one group to another. The joy was the thrill of the bonding process. This is the power of the congregation. This is why lame religion that has not real virtue yet thrive all the same. Ludwigm's ballet is so much cheer leading for our team and we give ourselves over to the family of participation.

some groups are compatable some are dissociative from your root group. These dissociative groups will contaminate the root group. Simply put as already noted: THERE'S STILL TIME TO CHANGE THE ROAD YOU'RE ON.

[_Nightlion]

I am not saying simply hearing a song by AC/DC or Black Sabbath or whatever is/was hip is devil worship. Attending the concert........probably........... if you give yourself over to the moment heartily.

I knew something was wrong the minute I listened to drum solo on the long version of Ina Goda da Vida. Oops, my age is showing.

LOL! I hated that song. I quit a band because the drummer insisted on playing it.
Most of youse guys bonded to academia and it ate your faith.
I have just as big a problem with Mormons who super bond to their junk spirituality that has no virtue or power.
No doubt probably none here ever developed their real faith as it got eaten up in church ironically enough.

Mormons were commanded to bring up their children in light and truth and teach them to repent. ........find me one LDS who has the slightest clue about this without being a spiritual shmuck saying but not doing what is required. And worse is that LDS with all the time and money in the world will not even sit still and figure out the rudiments of a real Zion society.