LDS get there talking points from Satan

[_moksha]

LDS get there talking points from Satan

Not all Mormons even watch the Fox News Channel, let alone follow Ann Coulter.

[_ldsfaqs]

The Devil

Genesis 3
Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, “Has God indeed said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?”
[ here the Devil does exactly what Mormons do, Question God’s Word in the Bible]

Mormons don't "question God's word" in the Bible, we question YOUR WORD, YOUR INTERPRETATION, and YOUR COMPILATION, YOUR TRANSLATIONS, without God's authority of the Bible.

Further, why don't you quote for us an actual quote of something "in the Bible" that we ATTACK???
If your claim was true, you should find many quotes of Mormons actually attacking a SPECIFIC scripture in the Bible. But you won't find any, because we DON'T attack the Bible as you claim. We study the Bible for a full year every 3rd year, our other scriptures the other years, and we look up Bible scriptures when studying the other scriptures, and vica-versa.

We do however acknowledge the FACT that translations have lost important things, that scriptures were omitted, added and taken away in various additions of the Bible, on and on.

But stating a "general fact" is not the same as doing what you claim we do. We don't have classes, teachings, etc. on what scriptures are false, are bad translations, etc. WE SIMPLY STUDY THE Bible AS IT IS!!!!

You are a liar, a pawn of satan....

And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden;
but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’”

[ here Eve changes God’s instruction to something God didn’t say]

What are you talking about? God most certainly DID say it!!!

Genesis 2:
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in that day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Now, if you're crying because Eve added some "additional information" to the command that simply was not indicated in the previous chapter and verse (the don't also touch the tree), so what??? The point was not to eat of the tree. How do you know that at another time to Eve and Adam God said not to even touch it just to be safe? It simply not being written down in the previous statement doesn't mean it didn't happen, or are you actually trying to tell us every single thing Adam and Eve and God did in the Garden is written down there in Genesis? You can't be THAT ignorant can you??? You have no idea how much time passed and every little thing they did while there. It doesn't say they went poop either, but I'm sure they did it....???

Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die.
For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

[ here the Devil says you will be like God, something Mormons also teach, even the thou man is made in God’s image]

1. Being in the image of God is being "like" God. If your argument was valid we would teach we are "begotten" of God, but we don't you know. We are spiritually from God, our bodies are made from matter, that of the earth. Further irony is that you all believe that God is "spirit only", yet being spiritually from God in your minds cannot mean we are "like" him, especially since it specifically states in the sense of knowing good and evil.

2. You anti's really crack me up in your blatant ignoring of the scriptures in order to embrace your anti-mormon bigotry and religious false doctrines.

GOD HIMSELF say's in Genesis 3:22...

And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:

He exactly repeats what satan says.... Guess what? That makes YOU the LIAR and not satan in this particular quote of satan. Further, you do know satan uses a little truth to tell great lies right??? The lie wasn't that man would become as God knowing good and evil, the lie satan told was that "Eve would not die"!!!! After all, we know that because of the fall man was both cut off spiritually from God, and he does die, no longer immortal as in the garden.

So, who's the liar here, Mormons or your gullibleness following your lying preachers and teachers???

So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.
Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings.
[ in these passages the Devil attacks the mind]

Okay, and? (p.s., you sure are right, because he has certainly attacked YOUR "mind" for believing your preachers word over what the Word of God and even God Himself states in Genesis 3:22 VERIFYING what satan stated.

Further, why don't you tell us who the "us" is also in that verse???

Job 1
So Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.”
Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil?”
So Satan answered the Lord and said, “Does Job fear God for nothing?

In these passages the Devil attacks the Body, since our Body is
1. The Temple of God on this earth
2. Tools for God’s ministry here on earth
3. Treasure
4. Testing ground

And?

1 Chronicles 21
Now Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel.
So David said to Joab and to the leaders of the people, “Go, number Israel from Beersheba to Dan, and bring the number of them to me that I may know it.”
And Joab answered, “May the Lord make His people a hundred times more than they are. But, my lord the king, are they not all my lord’s servants? Why then does my lord require this thing? Why should he be a cause of guilt in Israel?”

[Here the devil attacks the will and employs the tool of pride, something Mormons love doing when talking about there religion. Joseph Smith JR was one of the biggest boasters.]

Please.... And YOU "aren't" boasting in this thread, and on this whole forum, your arrogance in believing you are superior and right over Mormons and Mormonism??? Please..... We don't go to your forums attacking your religions. We simply defend the Faith as I am doing here against your false and perverted of the devil attacks.

Further, we are human beings.... Even a Prophet can boast ONCE. Plus, it has a context, he was angry, and even what he said was the truth.

70,000 people killed because of David’s sin here, more than his adultery and murder

Zechariah 3
Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the Angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to oppose him.
And the Lord said to Satan, “The Lord rebuke you, Satan! The Lord who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! Is this not a brand plucked from the fire?”
Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and was standing before the Angel.
Then He answered and spoke to those who stood before Him, saying, “Take away the filthy garments from him.” And to him He said, “See, I have removed your iniquity from you, and I will clothe you with rich robes.”
And I said, “Let them put a clean turban on his head.” So they put a clean turban on his head, and they put the clothes on him. And the Angel of the Lord stood by.
Then the Angel of the Lord admonished Joshua, saying,
“Thus says the Lord of hosts: ‘If you will walk in My ways, And if you will keep My command, Then you shall also judge My house, And likewise have charge of My courts; I will give you places to walk Among these who stand here.
‘Hear, O Joshua, the high priest, You and your companions who sit before you, For they are a wondrous sign; For behold, I am bringing forth My Servant the BRANCH.

Here the devil attacks the conscience employing the tool of truth. Joshua was a sinner with filthy rags just like Christians, who need the Branch “ Jesus” who takes away our sins.

Okay, and?

1 Peter 5:
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.
Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world.
But may the God of all grace, who called

http://www.newheights.org/current-teaching-series/

Song we sang today

http://youtu.be/izrk-erhDdk

I would recommend you actually start reading your scriptures alone, and stop going to your man-made false religions which lie to you, pervert the word for their own wicked designs and means. Because what you have said of Mormonism here and even God's Word itself is nothing but the devils lies.

And just so you know, I've been in your religions, reading the Bible for myself, and seeing clearly how your religions don't follow the book. And the above is a perfect example of this, especially your claiming Mormons take their talking points from satan. We take our talking points from HIS WORD.... as in that scripture by GOD HIMSELF that you ignore and claim we are following satan on simply because satan states it also.

See, if you were the "true" followers of God, you would know that scripture, that you thus can't claim satan is lying in his same statement, and that Mormons falsely follow that lie of satan (i.e. that we will be as God). Because, that comment is not from satan, it's from God Himself right there in the Bible.

Why is it that we know the Bible better than you???

[_ldsfaqs]

I have no idea. Mittens posts are indecipherable. If she's trying to communicate with Mormons on any level, it must be through telepathy.

She is in a part of her journey which currently serves Satan. But he blinds her because she thinks she is serving God. Yet God loves her; and so should we.

Blessings,

jo

True, we should love her..... But, we can also correct and chastize her as needed, as I did above.

I really wish Christian anti-mormons would heed Christ's words in Mark 9 & Luke 9.

She accused us Mormons of "boasting", yet in Mark 9 & Luke 9 the Apostles were doing that, boasting and wondering who of them would be "greatest". Christ saw their pride, and brought a child in front of them. The Apostles said they saw one casting out devils, and they forbid him, but Christ chastized them, for even though this child is but a child, he that believeth in me is of me, and he that offendeth even one of these little children that believe on me, it's better they hang a millstone around their neck and drown themselves.

So Mittens...... Christ tells you that for your actions against us Mormons, who ARE believers in the Christ and strive to follow him, that your continual acts of offending us with your attacks, it's better in his eyes that you just.... well, read his words for yourself.

Bottom line, is you do not serve God as you believe, you serve the devil. Even IF we are wrong and as ignorant children. We are believers, our lives are in service of him, God, and our fellow men, and we strive to be like him, which is the entire purpose of this life.

Your fruits against Mormonism only serves the devil, not God..... God doesn't attack light, only the devil does.

[_jo1952]

True, we should love her..... But, we can also correct and chastize her as needed, as I did above.

I really wish Christian anti-mormons would heed Christ's words in Mark 9 & Luke 9.

She accused us Mormons of "boasting", yet in Mark 9 & Luke 9 the Apostles were doing that, boasting and wondering who of them would be "greatest". Christ saw their pride, and brought a child in front of them. The Apostles said they saw one casting out devils, and they forbid him, but Christ chastized them, for even though this child is but a child, he that believeth in me is of me, and he that offendeth even one of these little children that believe on me, it's better they hang a millstone around their neck and drown themselves.

So Mittens...... Christ tells you that for your actions against us Mormons, who ARE believers in the Christ and strive to follow him, that your continual acts of offending us with your attacks, it's better in his eyes that you just.... well, read his words for yourself.

Bottom line, is you do not serve God as you believe, you serve the devil. Even IF we are wrong and as ignorant children. We are believers, our lives are in service of him, God, and our fellow men, and we strive to be like him, which is the entire purpose of this life.

Your fruits against Mormonism only serves the devil, not God..... God doesn't attack light, only the devil does.

Hi Ldsfaqs!

Unfortunately, Mittens IS fulfilling what Peter warned Believers against:

1 Peter 5:
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.
Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world.

This is all she has done since she signed up here on Mormon Discussions. It is her entire agenda for being here. This is not how Jesus or the Apostles preached the Gospel message.

What you say is accurate; and in rebuking her, you have followed Christ's example and His teachings about this type of situation. Isn't it also amazing that Christ also taught a great lesson, which in no way conflicts with this, when hanging on the cross He said, "Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do." ?

Seeing how anti-LDS treat the LDS, though it is serving Satan, also serves for Good when Believers suffer these attacks. It gives us the opportunity to strengthen and increase our ability to learn how to keep the two Great Commandments. We are taught not only to forgive others; but to also ask Father to forgive those who trespass against us. Thus, no matter what is actually transpiring in this physical realm, it ultimately serves God's purposes. So, we can see that Satan is actually helping serve Father's Plan of Salvation. God divided the Light from the dark in order that we could use the knowledge of Good and evil. By experiencing both, we are able to make the choices which allow us to return to Father's presence.

I believe that there is power in our forgiving others, and power in asking Father to forgive others. When we recognize that we have trespassed against others, our suffering is great. However, I think that without the power of forgiveness being given by others and by Father, our suffering would be even worse. Forgiveness, then, adds to the powers of Good both in the physical realm and in the spiritual realm. Meanwhile, whether we have sinned against God or against another, or whether another has sinned against us, our suffering ultimately purifies us. We all must go through this process; it is part of our journey.

Blessings,

jo

[_ldsfaqs]

Thanks for the thoughts jo..... They are good, wise and kind.

Personally for me, I show mercy to those who need it and deserve it. Those who know me in life know my love of others, how I see their pain and show them love and support and can identify with them. They know my kindness and smile....

But those who do wrong to another, are cruel, belittle another, they know my wrath....
I've known so much wrong in life, I simply will not tolerate it.
If these people on this forum did what they do here in real life, they would be shunned, but they can get away with their lack of charity with the anonymity, distance, and lack of accountability. But, they no less deserve my wrath than in real life, thus I give it as it deserves with the truth and right, and then with the condemnation following.

[_Mittens]

Mormons are the ones that say all other religions are evil

Mormon's say all other Churches are evil.

This is not just another Church. This is not just one of a family of Christian churches. This is the Church and kingdom of God, the only true Church upon the face of the earth..."
- Prophet Ezra Taft Benson, Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p.164-165.

"What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world".
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270.

"...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels."
- Prophet Joseph Smith , The Elders Journal, Joseph Smith Jr., editor, vol.1, no.4, p.60.

"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent".
- Apostle Orson Pratt proclaimed, The Seer, p. 255

"After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon".
- George Q. Cannon said, Gospel Truth, p.324.

"When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness."
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 5:73.

"With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world."
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:199.

"The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God".
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:171.

"Brother Taylor has just said that the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and then kicked on to the earth."
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 6:176.

"Christians—those poor, miserable priests brother Brigham was speaking about—some of them are the biggest whoremasters there are on the earth, and at the same time preaching righteousness to the children of men. The poor devils, they could not get up here and preach an oral discourse, to save themselves from hell; they are preaching their fathers' sermons —preaching sermons that were written a hundred years before they were born....You may get a Methodist priest to pour water on you, or sprinkle it on you, and baptize you face foremost, or lay you down the other way, and whatever mode you please, and you will be damned with your priest."
- Apostle Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, 5:89.

"The Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called".
- Prophet Wilford Woodruff, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196

"But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of Christian Churches... But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance".
- Apostle Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, 18:172.

"Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167);

"Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom."
- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, 10:127.

"What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast."
- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses 13:225.

"What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing... Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest fools; they know neither God nor the things of God."
- John Taylor, Journal of Discourses 13:225.

"Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness. For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men."
- Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282

"...the Book of Mormon remains secure, unchanged and unchangeable,...But with the Bible it was not and is not so....it was once in the sole and exclusive care and custody of an abominable organization (Christianity), founded by the devil himself, likened prophetically unto a great whore, whose great aim and purpose was to destroy the souls of men in the name of religion. In these hands it ceased to be the book it once was."
- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, The Joseph Smith Translation, pp. 12, 13

"Must we, under the broad folds of the American Constitution, be compelled to bow down to the narrow contracted notions of Apostate Christianity? Must we shut up our consciences in a nut shell, and be compelled to submit to the bigoted notions, and whims, and customs of the dark ages of popery, transferred to us through the superstitious of our fathers? Must we be slaves to custom and render homage to the soul-destroying, sickening influences of modern Christianity? No!"
- Official Church Publication "The Seer," Vol.1, No.7, p.111.

"And also those to whom these commandments were given, might have power to lay the foundation of this (Mormon) church, and to bring it forth out of obscurity and out of darkness, the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth..."
- Supposedly Jesus Christ Himself, Doctrine and Covenants 1:30.

[_jo1952]

Thanks for the thoughts jo..... They are good, wise and kind.

Personally for me, I show mercy to those who need it and deserve it. Those who know me in life know my love of others, how I see their pain and show them love and support and can identify with them. They know my kindness and smile....

But those who do wrong to another, are cruel, belittle another, they know my wrath....
I've known so much wrong in life, I simply will not tolerate it.
If these people on this forum did what they do here in real life, they would be shunned, but they can get away with their lack of charity with the anonymity, distance, and lack of accountability. But, they no less deserve my wrath than in real life, thus I give it as it deserves with the truth and right, and then with the condemnation following.

Hi Ldsfaqs!

I have always found your posts to be filled with love and sound reason ever since I was first introduced to them on MDDB (even in your "wrath"). They are always enjoyable and worthwhile!!

Many blessings,

jo

[_Franktalk]

Mittens,

If you cut and paste from other sites please give links and place the work in quotes.

[_Tobin]

Mittens,

If you cut and paste from other sites please give links and place the work in quotes.

And if possible, would you actually make an argument. Posting up a bunch of unrelated quotes made by various people at various times is NOT supporting a position or argument. It is ONLY spewing a bunch of non-sense. Also, it might help you if you consider that actually making an argument may result in some of us posting a counter-argument from time to time poking holes in your assertions (provided you ever make any).

[_Dr. Shades]

[MODERATOR NOTE: I apologize for not having the time to split ldsfaqs's posts individually. Forgive the thread reassignment.

Nevertheless, ldsfaqs won't be posting any attack posts in the Celestial Forum ever again.]